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Wal Bass Club.

He seems to around these parts. I had only one dealing with him but it was bad enough to leave a bad taste.

My impression is he is a serial flipper. Buys high end gear, turns around and lists it at a significant premium. Nothing wrong with that if you are honorable and know your stuff. Matt Umanov's prices were 20-25% above market but what you got was him standing behind every single piece of vintage gear he sold.

In my case, it was clear this seller didn't even know what he had, probably because he turned around and listed it for sale the minute it got in his hands and he didn't spend time checking out what he had, it's condition, etc.

To be transparent, I bought a Modulus Q5. It was listed as all stock in perfect condition except for some clouding in one area of the finish.

When I got the bass I started playing it and the neck felt way thick (like the fat size of a baseball bat). Too thick for a Q5. So I take a close look and I see multiple side dot markers- one normal size dot in the normal place and small one one AT the fret. At the octaves there were two normal sized ones in the normal place and two small ones AT the fret. And the FB was very tick so it was immediately clear that it was converted from fretless. And because the fretless FB is a little thicker, with frets the neck was horrible to play.

I reach out to him with pics and he flat out denies it. I was able to resolve it but it was not pleasant. Here is the dialog between us (I still had this in my messages)


Me: Hi there. The modulus bass arrived today. Upon quick inspection it is evident that the bass was actually seriously modified. This bass was once a fretless bass and was converted to a fretted bass. Unfortunately this was not disclosed in your listing (which claims the instrument is 100% original with no mods). Had this been disclosed I would not have purchased the instrument. I’m attaching pictures where you can see clearly that there were one small dot markers right below where the frets have been placed. Such placement of small dot markers was the norm for modulus fretless basses.

I am going to initiate the process for a refund. Again, sorry to be the bearer of bad news.


Him: HI, Thanks for writing to address your concern.
I can see why you might think that this was once a fretless but that is not the case. We purchased this from the original owner and he said he bought it exactly as it is. Never had frets added.
It is a great bass and plays perfectly. No issues.

Me: Respectfully, that is not acceptable. It is not my desire to get into a hostile dialog with you, but did it occur to you that the guy who sold it in to you could have lied to you? Or perhaps he was not the first owner after all?

I am not a difficult buyer and almost never return what I buy. I am a player and bona fide collector. I am often sought out on bass guitar forums for my knowledge and expertise on various bass guitars, and I can tell you with absolute certainty that this bass was converted from fretless. It took me one look up and down the fingerboard to sniff that out and frankly I am surprise you did not notice the same thing. I also sent those pictures to a luthier friend of mine who verified the same thing.

I notice that the pictures in your listing do not show this side of the fingerboard so a potential buyer would have no way of sniffing this out before buying. I will assume that this is just a coincidence.

Again, I do not wish to be the bearer of bad news but this bass was almost $2k and it is not what was described so I am again requesting a refund. I ask you to reconsider your position as I am prepared to escalate this accordingly with reverb and paypal and with my credit card company. If this bass is as good as you say, then you should have no problem selling it again at this price.

Thank you and should you wish to call me, I can be reached at ###-###-####

Him: I have no desire to get into a hostile dialogue either. If you are not happy, send it back.


Of course from there he tried convincing me to keep it for $100 back, then $200 back, etc. but I wasn't having it. I will never know if he knew what he had and tried pulling one before he realized he couldn't or what. But at the very least, it was weird if he didn't know what he had so either way this guy is on my no fly list. A shame because he does have nice stuff.

Anyway, there you have it.

The interesting thing is I've been following this guy for about 2 or 3 years now.
He's got a ton of videos on you tube of Alembics, Carl Thompsons (a huge one of his), Foderas and many others. I watched his price tag soar over a period of a few days on that recent CT he had that was claimed to have been owned by Les Claypool and was originally had a lightwave in it. Price tag started around $7000 and incremently increased over the week.....$9000, $11000, and I think $15000. Pfft.....what? Was anyone else watching that? I sure was!

If his stuff is questionable like your Modulus. I can only imagine the other items he is selling.
Buyer beware for sure.
 
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I am totally shocked he didn't engage in some hostility, because several of us have been on the receiving end of some. He was off his meds or something because he would not stop even when I was clear I was done with the conversation. It was childish banter and pretty disturbing. He's been run out of other internet communities for similar problems where he was challenged over an item's validity. There was a thread on here where he got caught trying to cover his tracks by editing his posts and that was his ultimate demise to the best of my knowledge. If he's still lurking around he's not doing it publicly, so buyer/seller beware.

Is this not the guy???
SOLD - Carl Thompson 00
 
I am totally shocked he didn't engage in some hostility, because several of us have been on the receiving end of some. He was off his meds or something because he would not stop even when I was clear I was done with the conversation. It was childish banter and pretty disturbing. He's been run out of other internet communities for similar problems where he was challenged over an item's validity. There was a thread on here where he got caught trying to cover his tracks by editing his posts and that was his ultimate demise to the best of my knowledge. If he's still lurking around he's not doing it publicly, so buyer/seller beware.

Ultimate demise like the ban hammer? Doesn't surprise me. He doesn't seems like a good bass community memeber.

I recent went through my records and I have owned over almost 500 basses (still have over 150 currently). So I have done this a few times as buyer and seller so say the least. As a seller I try to be 110% thorough and detailed. Sometimes I miss something but everything I sell I have bought to own for some period so you get to know the instrument. I use current pics and at least 20 per listing, etc. People as buyers are usually reasonable so in the rare case when an issue comes up I resolve it. It's happened 6 or six times maybe over hundrdes of sales and trades.

On the buy side, I have developed a sixth sense about sellers and this guy tripped my Spidey senses for sure. His initial reply to me read "I am gonna see if this guy is gullible."

Seems like I got off easy with him based on your interactions with him. Geez...
 
Ultimate demise like the ban hammer? Doesn't surprise me. He doesn't seems like a good bass community memeber.

I recent went through my records and I have owned over almost 500 basses (still have over 150 currently). So I have done this a few times as buyer and seller so say the least. As a seller I try to be 110% thorough and detailed. Sometimes I miss something but everything I sell I have bought to own for some period so you get to know the instrument. I use current pics and at least 20 per listing, etc. People as buyers are usually reasonable so in the rare case when an issue comes up I resolve it. It's happened 6 or six times maybe over hundrdes of sales and trades.

On the buy side, I have developed a sixth sense about sellers and this guy tripped my Spidey senses for sure. His initial reply to me read "I am gonna see if this guy is gullible."

Seems like I got off easy with him based on your interactions with him. Geez...

No idea if he got the ban hammer or not, but he stopped posting after that thread.
 
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Hi everyone, I'm a newbie here. Joined ages ago, but this is my first post. Hope you don’t mind me jumping in on this thread with a question?

I’ve been a sound engineer most of my life and have played bass on & off since I was 15 - time allowing. I bought a used 1984 Wal Mk1 lined fretless in the mid 90’s, which I still own. When I got it the fingerboard had been badly lacquered (a DIY job), so I got the guys at the Bass Gallery in Camden to re-lap it and set it all up. They really know their stuff and did a great job, but since then, I haven’t used the bass very much - I’m not a very good fretless player and I’ve only kept it for sentimental reasons (having grown up in the 80’s as a fan of Mick Karn, amongst others)

Fast forward to now. I’ve booked the bass in at the Bass Gallery to have a couple of jobs done (new battery clip and a full service) with a view to selling it. While I was there, they mentioned that it was an easy job to put frets on it if I wanted to. I would LOVE to have frets on this bass - with them it would be a keeper for me, no doubt! The Bass Gallery said the fret cuts are already there and the job isn’t particularly expensive at £180.

My immediate thought was, what will it do to the value of the bass? They said that they wouldn’t recommend doing this to say a vintage fretless Fender, but the custom nature of Wals makes them different and he didn’t think it was a problem. Besides, if I didn’t like it, it would be an equally easy job to remove them again and put the neck back how it was - another £75 I think he said.

I gave them go-ahead to fit the frets, but now I’m wobbling and have sent an email asking them to just do a service instead, but I’ve sent it with a slightly heavy heart. I don’t really want to sell the bass and I would really love to own a fretted Wal, but I’m worried that this work might trash the value. What do you guys think? All options gratefully received!!
Hi everyone, I'm a newbie here. Joined ages ago, but this is my first post. Hope you don’t mind me jumping in on this thread with a question?

I’ve been a sound engineer most of my life and have played bass on & off since I was 15 - time allowing. I bought a used 1984 Wal Mk1 lined fretless in the mid 90’s, which I still own. When I got it the fingerboard had been badly lacquered (a DIY job), so I got the guys at the Bass Gallery in Camden to re-lap it and set it all up. They really know their stuff and did a great job, but since then, I haven’t used the bass very much - I’m not a very good fretless player and I’ve only kept it for sentimental reasons (having grown up in the 80’s as a fan of Mick Karn, amongst others)

Fast forward to now. I’ve booked the bass in at the Bass Gallery to have a couple of jobs done (new battery clip and a full service) with a view to selling it. While I was there, they mentioned that it was an easy job to put frets on it if I wanted to. I would LOVE to have frets on this bass - with them it would be a keeper for me, no doubt! The Bass Gallery said the fret cuts are already there and the job isn’t particularly expensive at £180.

My immediate thought was, what will it do to the value of the bass? They said that they wouldn’t recommend doing this to say a vintage fretless Fender, but the custom nature of Wals makes them different and he didn’t think it was a problem. Besides, if I didn’t like it, it would be an equally easy job to remove them again and put the neck back how it was - another £75 I think he said.

I gave them go-ahead to fit the frets, but now I’m wobbling and have sent an email asking them to just do a service instead, but I’ve sent it with a slightly heavy heart. I don’t really want to sell the bass and I would really love to own a fretted Wal, but I’m worried that this work might trash the value. What do you guys think? All options gratefully received!!
On my post, I meant to reply to this, It's back a few pages. I'd Go for it.
 
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Never tried, a Mark I to a Mark II or III body

Won't work. Different number of frets and Mk3 also has a different style neck pocket than Mk2 (no neckplate)

Would that Pro Neck on Reverb fit it?

I tried to this before and one way wouldnt work unless you shaved the neck pocket a bit....it was either using a Pro body with a Mk1 neck...or an Mk1 body with a Pro neck....I'm 70% sure a Pro neck didnt fit a Mk body.
 

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