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Wants to be payed for practices

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It all depends on the circumstances. A democratic band, covers or not, the suggestion of paid to rehearse is absurd.
Flip side- I was approached by an up and coming artist who got an artist development stipend from his record company. He needed a band to polish arrangements for an upcoming album. Darn right he paid each and every one of us for our time, and contributions.
 
This is where the OP decides whether he's in a professional working band, which can capitalize on a solid professional drummer and turn what amounts to a rhythm section upgrade into a guaranteed $150/night/musician + rehearsals enterprise, or a hobby, where he's more in it for the fun than the money.

Exactly and it's not a dig on the OP, just different goals for different folks.
 
The difference is for some replying in this thread... it’s business. They actually see this as their trade and a vehicle for supporting their families. That’s honorable. But I MUST assume it’s the vast minority of those who are on musician forums.

Say you love baseball. You have a 9 to 5 to support your family but join a local league to play. Your the star in fact. Your the best hitter and the pitcher. Along comes a pro who signs up and goes to the league and says I want paid because I’m a pro short stop. I’m not the star and nobody knows who I am, but pay me.

I just think the “fit” is wrong in this scenario. Most of us I assume come to this thread with a background like me, weekend warrior half fun, hope for some coin to help justify the investment of time and gear. In my world most gigs pay $450-$500 and larger weddings $800-$1200. Thats my market. That’s the going rates. I want everyone to get a fair share. If you’re a pro that’s great, but a piece of my pie gets you 1/4 of the purse. Nothing more. If anything after reading this thread, I’d be inclined to not even offer the counter $50 I originally suggested and now he can also load in and load out 1/4 of the gear. Because now you’ve pointed out it’s cool to be selfish, worry about number 1 and hey, it’s just business.
I disagree. I don’t think it’s being selfish. Asking for more or for what you think you’re worth doesn’t hurt anyone. You gotta do what’s right for you.
 
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I guess it boils down to wether you see yourself as a pro musician working for a living or a band gigging for kicks, fun or bit of extra pocket money.
Our band (4 of us) have regular jobs and are very much in the amateur, weekend warrior ,fun bracket, the money is just an added bonus.
This guy is obviously playing to make a living and as such needs payment for a service.
Different strokes for different folks.
 
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Very interesting thread. I see absolutely no problem with him "asking" to be paid for rehearsals. Whether someone wants to or can afford to pay him, however, is another matter entirely. It is good to set expectations at the beginning of a relationship, this way there are no major disappointments. I have been paid for rehearsals when doing one-off gigs or short term stints, where I'm an employee and not a volunteer. I've also paid professional singers that were subbing with my band for their rehearsal time when I was in a jam and desperately needed a sub on short notice. But these situations involved short term "employees."

Are you looking for a partner or an employee? If you want a partner that will share in the gains and expenses, then this individual probably isn't the right fit for you. Rancor will start to set in if the other band members feel that they are unfairly subsidizing the drummer. On the other hand, if he is so good that you as a band feel that it is worth paying to keep him, then that is perfectly OK too.
 
Couple of thoughts:
  1. Yes, paid rehearsals are a "thing." Although, someone with his level of skill, playing cover songs, how many rehearsals do you really need? Seems to me, he should be able to come in and nail the parts from the recordings. (In fact, one reason why pros charge for rehearsals, is to avoid having too many unnecessary rehearsals. Pro drummers don't want to, for example, sit around while backing vocalists try to figure out the harmonies.)
  2. No reason why everybody in the band needs to make the same amount. We aren't all paid the same at my day job, so why should that be the default assumption in a band? Seems fair and just to me, that some people would make more than others, depending on their seniority, reputation/fame, skill set, replacability, negotiating skills, etc.

I think he doesn't need it, but they want a live drummer for each rehearsal. And, if he's missing out on other work to do those rehearsals, I get why he wants to be paid.
 
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I guess by definition, he is a Pro because this is his PROfession. I consider a " Pro " being somone who is touring with major acts, not someone who just doesn't want to work a normal 8 to 5 job LOL. You speak as though you have experience with this, are you a " Pro " or " Amateur ".

I think this is a major misconception. I know several pro drummers who aren't touring with major acts. I think it's really strange to dog on someone for making a living as a professional musician simply because you haven't heard of them.

Around here it's very common for drummers to want to get paid and they often have a set rate for both rehearsals and gigs. Church drummers, for example, are used to set rates with little variation, and are often the second highest paid instrument behind keys.
 
Drummers...we’ve had 8 of them and they always seem to have some sort of problem; I think it has something to do with the mentality it takes to bang on something in rhythm - and the 2 who could really play and fit with the music weren’t loud enough or didn’t vibe with the singer/guitarist.

If this guy is such a “pro” that he has to be paid for practices then he needs to find another band. Period. Unless he’s going into an established, major (signed) band who tours 150 or more days a year, being paid for practice is completely ridiculous. I would tell that guy to move to Nashville or LA and become a studio musician if he wants to be paid for practice.
 
To add to my reply, I went through a lot of this frustration last year. Not because I didn't think pro drummers deserved to get paid, but because we had pro drummers trying to talk us into hiring them for rehearsals when we were very clear that we were not a gigging/paying band.
 
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Drummers...we’ve had 8 of them and they always seem to have some sort of problem; I think it has something to do with the mentality it takes to bang on something in rhythm - and the 2 who could really play and fit with the music weren’t loud enough or didn’t vibe with the singer/guitarist.

If this guy is such a “pro” that he has to be paid for practices then he needs to find another band. Period. Unless he’s going into an established, major (signed) band who tours 150 or more days a year, being paid for practice is completely ridiculous. I would tell that guy to move to Nashville or LA and become a studio musician if he wants to be paid for practice.

You would tell him, I'm sure. You'd be out of line too. If your expectations don't match up, move on.
 
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I think he doesn't need it, but they want a live drummer for each rehearsal. And, if he's missing out on other work to do those rehearsals, I get why he wants to be paid.
This is the thing. The drummer came in prepared already and he nailed the material. If he can prep that well at home, why does he need to rehearse? If the band has need of him at rehearsal, that's their problem, not his. If the band is actually in the same league, as was suggested by the OP, they should all be doing that level of work at home and they should be able to do this with minimal rehearsal. So these payments would be a non-issue. But clearly, the band wants or needs to rehearse and they want the drummer there for their own purposes.
 
If this guy is such a “pro” that he has to be paid for practices then he needs to find another band. Period.

He was auditioning the band as well as they were auditioning him. The band has expectations, the drummer has expectations, if they don't line up it's not a good fit. This isn't outrageous. At least he didn't wait until 10 gigs on the books and make his demands.
 
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I've never heard of having to pay your co-workers, so even if it is a 'job' this doesn't make sense to me. If you're all in it together, then you should get paid the same way. Look for someone else to avoid resentment and conflict.
Depends on the business. If you're a co-owner of a very small business such as a partnership, then your co-workers are getting paid out of your stake in the business. Many small business owners deliberately pay themselves relatively low salaries, to keep as much money invested in the business as possible. After all, if they thought their own business was a bad investment, they'd get out of the business.

If you're not a co-owner, which is typical for most US workers, then like you say, it doesn't make sense to talk in terms of paying your co-workers.

If this band has agreed that their financial model is to defer wages / salaries, and simply split all of the proceeds equally, that's their choice, but then having a different wage structure for one of the players would (in my view) require agreement from the entire band. Maybe it's a good business idea, maybe it's not. We can all talk about taking a band to the "next level," but the next level is not a guaranteed success.

It's not a question of what's fair for the drummer, or what constitutes a "pro," but rather, how does the band want to finance itself? And how does the drummer want to finance himself? Not all business propositions are viable.

For myself, I don't tend to demand rehearsal pay, but the bands that hire me as a freelance rarely rehearse, so it's something I don't really need to worry about. By the same token, bandleaders know that if they call a lot of unnecessary rehearsals for low paying gigs, they will have a harder time finding players, so there's a reasonable amount of discipline built into the system.
 
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