Wants to be payed for practices

[MrLenny1]

Sounds like a young dreamer.
He needs a dose of reality.
Next !

 

[DavC]

does he also want to get paid to practice at home to learn his parts ..?

i've done this for a living a few times ... you don't get paid to practice ..! you recoup that when you get paid to play .!!

demanding $XXX amount of dollars , regardless of how it effects the others' pay , is just rude ..!! = no thanks dude

 

[BogeyBass]

I haven't meet the specific drummer you guys worked with.

But ive meet drummers like this in the past.
the comment on being a "bluff" somewhat reasonable

what it shows is, or at least in my experience is
its another not so great drummer that can nail songs. big whoop

they usually end up being not so fun to hang with, annoying and egotistically
and the first ones to cry like babys or be flakes.

yeah.....bye bye

im a drummer too. when i have guys that i can outperform start crying about pay wage
they will be the first ones to whine and complain and not make gigs fun.

hes probably trying to sound all special when hes just a flake and not dedicated.
hoping for a magical band that will only call him once every 2 weeeks for practice
and only call for shows " he appoves"

just flake crybaby, go home
these are the pillow sissies that dont last more than a week on real tours

 

[MMiller28]

$75 is almost two tanks of gas for most people. Does he live 300 miles away?

 

[MultiScaleMale]

$75 is almost two tanks of gas for most people. Does he live 300 miles away?

Have you seen self-insured health care premiums?

 

[okcrum]

So Anyway, $150 minimum per gig and $75 rehearsal fee... I like this drummer's style. In fact, I'm going to call my BL and set this as my new requirement.
I'll be home at the computer from now on if anyone needs to get in touch.

You'd be better off practicing so you could actually get that pay.

 

[okcrum]

Here's the fundamental problem with this. What he wants the money for matters to you because you think he might be lying. The OP got that bullet point second hand. The drummer may have mentioned gas and only gas. He might have mentioned more but the BL didn't relay that to the OP. There's more than one way to look at it and you chose the negative one.

In one instance you don't want to do business with him because you're assuming his intent which you got third hand. Do you like to do business with people who leap to conclusions?

@nnnnnn and I already covered that, Brad.

 

[el murdoque]

When you hire someone on these terms, there should be an agreement on 150 per gig and 75 per rehearsal.
Not 'at least' 150. When the band makes more, 150 go to the person that's just hired to play and the rest gets a fair share (whoever pays the drummer will get more, I suppose).
You can't get paid for rehearsals and then demand an equal share for the gigs with a guaranteed minimum. That's not how it works. Not at all.

 

[MultiScaleMale]

When you hire someone on these terms, there should be an agreement on 150 per gig and 75 per rehearsal.
Not 'at least' 150. When the band makes more, 150 go to the person that's just hired to play and the rest gets a fair share (whoever pays the drummer will get more, I suppose).
You can't get paid for rehearsals and then demand an equal share for the gigs with a guaranteed minimum. That's not how it works. Not at all.

Sure you can, but if the band doesn't like it, they get a different drummer. Auditions go both ways.

 

[el murdoque]

Sure you can, but if the band doesn't like it, they get a different drummer. Auditions go both ways.

What I meant was: You can't have the best of both worlds. Defining a minimum wage for a gig equals that this will be what you get, even when the others get more. I mean, you get that wage when the others get less.
You'd need to be the only capable drummer in a hundred mile radius plus the BL would need to be really desperate to make it happen to agree on terms like these.

Could be that the guy is either greedy and sensed a possibility, or he was kept on a very short leash (financially) in his last gig or he's plain stupid. Could be he's starting off with an impossible offer to haggle his way to a good agreement. Or he might not be interested at all in the band for some reason and so he's proposing impossible terms.

 

[MMiller28]

Have you seen self-insured health care premiums?

No, I have a job.

 

[MultiScaleMale]

No, I have a job.

Correct. Likely your employer is picking up 80% or more of the premiums. So a free lancing drummer has more to worry about than gas money to and from rehearsal which is what I was replying to. So a group of hobbyists (which I am) are not going to mesh with with people doing music for a living. There are vastly different priorities and expectations.

 

[obimark]

When you hire someone on these terms, there should be an agreement on 150 per gig and 75 per rehearsal.
Not 'at least' 150. When the band makes more, 150 go to the person that's just hired to play and the rest gets a fair share (whoever pays the drummer will get more, I suppose).
You can't get paid for rehearsals and then demand an equal share for the gigs with a guaranteed minimum. That's not how it works. Not at all.

Except this band won't likely EVER make more than 150 per gig, unless it is a duo with two people. There are mid-level players in re-hash bands like Kansas that are getting about $150 a gig now a days.

 

[KarateChris]

ok 15 pages. Talk Bass is so cool, I really like it when so much input comes from so many people. I think I learned a lot here. I'll have to go back and read all 15 pages again though.

One thing that stands out to me on this thread is not needing rehersals.

For me, I am not the best bass player, however, some people think I'm pretty good. The bands that I play with do not require rehersal. We can just show up without rehersing and deliver a couple of good sets of music. I practice my instruments daily, I like doing it.

I have been trying to improve in all areas of making music. I found a statement that has been helping me; "Make great music." So, although I can play shows without rehersing, those shows will not be "Great" unless the band reherses. I like rehersing, it's the other practice (yes, I practice on my own, a lot), however, band rehersal makes shows better, and I keep trying to get better.

 

[Koshchei]

I've never heard of having to pay your co-workers, so even if it is a 'job' this doesn't make sense to me. If you're all in it together, then you should get paid the same way. Look for someone else to avoid resentment and conflict.

They're not co-workers if you have the ability to hire or fire them. They're recruits trying to negotiate an equitable pay arrangement that's going to work for where they think they're at in terms of life choices, skills and repertoire. Feel free to throw them a counter offer, like "$100 per show for the first month of gigs, to make sure you're not a raging alcoholic who gets into fist fights on stage."

 

[Revolver]

OK, choosing to have a day job by default puts you in a different league. It makes you a hobbyist, and it doesn't matter how good you are, the fact that you get to pick and choose the two gigs you play every month means you are in the hobbyist camp. So your abilities may be amazing, but unless you are retired from a full-time music gig, don't compare yourself to someone who plays for a living. You do not have the stage experience or any other level of experience to put yourself in that league. Full stop.

I work with some amazing players. They divide themselves into two camps. There are the people who are seasoned stage musicians, who know exactly what to do to keep a crowd on their feet all night long, and there are the people who do not understand or respond to subtle but traditional stage cues from a BL about what needs to happen when and where. The latter does not necessarily mean these people have not been on large stages, but it means they don't have a certain set of experiences where the flow of things on stage was not hand fed to them. They are all good players but I'll take the former over the latter every time, if I'm given a say, because they have the street cred to handle any situation.

Telling us that you have a day job and you think he's going to make you look bad on stage when he came in completely prepared and that's his only job? Give me a freaking break.

As someone who has been in it full time I can assure you that I've played with more than a few part-time musicians ("hobbyist" musician as you like to call them) that can run circles around quite a few full-time, so called "professionals" (in every single department you mention). They could very well be earning living as a musician, but they just chose to make the bulk of their money doing something else. Just because you do something on a regular basis, doesn't instantly put you at 'another level' (unless you want to factor in struggle in the case of a musician). Some people are just natural born performers. Also, I've know some pretty underwhelming full time performers that get a lot of gigs, but not because of their music and musicianship, but rather their persistence and craftiness in getting gigs. In short, not all "pros" and "hobbyists" are created equal.

 

[Koshchei]

As someone who has been in it full time I can assure you that I've played with more than my share of part-time ("hobbyist" musician as you like to call them) that can run circles around full-time, so called "professionals" (in every single department you mention). They could very well be earning living as a musician, but they just chose to make the bulk of their money doing something else. Just because you do something on a regular basis, doesn't instantly put you at 'another level'. Some people are born natural performers, while others are not (and even worse, some think they are and they are terrible at it). Also, I've know some pretty underwhelming full time performers that get a lot of gigs, but no because of their music and musicianship, but rather their persistence and craftiness in getting gigs. In short, not all "pros" and "hobbyists" are created equal.

TL;DR you said nothing.

 

[Revolver]

TL;DR you said nothing.

You just said 'nothing' by replying to 'nothing'

 

[Real Soon]

Wedding/corporate gigging isn't about expense accounts. It's about what it takes to keep competent people working. I can't remember running into anyone on the circuit who was clueless about business. Or concerned with what others deals were.

In a way it is, because that kind of budgeting simply isn't available to most small business owners or private parties, sizeable wedding arrangements excepted. Regardless, the musicians in that circuit most definitely work at a level that justifies it, and I'm all for supporting artists in all capacities.

 

[twinfallsbass]

Except this band won't likely EVER make more than 150 per gig, unless it is a duo with two people. There are mid-level players in re-hash bands like Kansas that are getting about $150 a gig now a days.

Oh WOW, what else can you tells us through your Crystal Ball??