We got bumped for.....Pitbull?

[Burlington]

well to be fair the genre does tend to attract a lot of bad behavior....i've never understood how it is that music,which is an aural medium is better enjoyed by ignoring it in favor of mosh pits,crowd surfing,and stage dives....i find it odd that promoters have to beef up security to stage events......it would seem to imply that higher levels of bad behavior are expected at metal events....iirc i don't recall ever seeing a bouncer at a jazz or classical event....

let's face facts....metal shows have a reputation,and deservedly so.....and guys with attitudes like the op seem fine with it....at least until they witness it from the other side of the fence

I think instead of taking this thread even further off topic, I started a thread about this very subject (I had been thinking about it for a while). http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=716842

I should be posting the second part tonight.

 

[IbanezBass69]

Yes, metal does have some kids who like to mosh and such, myself involved. But, do people not dance at R&B shows? Moshing, crowd surfing, all those things portrayed as "violent" behavior is simply our (I use "our" loosely, refering to metalheads) way of dancing. And, as a metalhead, I can say it is the genre most inspiring to me, however I still enjoy jazz, or classical music. Pretty much anything with some bass in it! The lifestyle is different, but I can tell you the serious metal musicians are not all "Yeah! Party! Weed! Skanky girls, beer! YAH!!" No. I would much rather sit in my room, and play bass, or learn something about anything, be it history, or psychology. Anything. I also enjoy writing, cats, and cars, but that is another story completely. Watch/read/listen to interviews from metal artists. Yes, some are jerks, love booze and loose women. Cool, whatever. Bass player had a metal bassist issue not too long ago. Pick it up, read the interviews from those guys, and tell me they are not musicians. Tell me they are the a$$-grabbing, beer drinking, pot-smoking idiot everyone seems to think all metalheads are. And those guys are just a few examples. Also, I have met some nice people in moshes. They pick you up when you fall, grab your shoes for you when they fall off. Hell, my buddy lost his glasses and nearly everyone stopped moshing to find them. IME, metalheads are the nicest people I have met in my 20 years. Yes, I am at the age to be around it more, but that doesn't matter much in this situation. Point is, stereotypes stem from somewhere, but it takes a real ignorant a$$ to not look at the glass half full, and put everyone in a box. Then, they never see the REAL metalheads, the REAL musicians of metal.

/rant

P.S.- That OP was not the best story for metal.

 

[Waterpilot]

How can you not post this face? I'm goddamn beautiful, it'd be a crime if I didn't.

Haha Genius!

I was entertained. I wouldn't have handled things that way, but it's your situation so it's irrelevant. Good times...

 

[R-o-D-]

Wow! Thanks for the great read guys.

 

[sloasdaylight]

well to be fair the genre does tend to attract a lot of bad behavior....i've never understood how it is that music,which is an aural medium is better enjoyed by ignoring it in favor of mosh pits,crowd surfing,and stage dives....i find it odd that promoters have to beef up security to stage events......it would seem to imply that higher levels of bad behavior are expected at metal events....iirc i don't recall ever seeing a bouncer at a jazz or classical event....

let's face facts....metal shows have a reputation,and deservedly so.....and guys with attitudes like the op seem fine with it....at least until they witness it from the other side of the fence

They have stage security and separate the crowd at Justin Beiber concerts.

If you've ever been in a pit, you'd know that it's not a "violent" thing. Yea people are running into and crashing into each other, and everyone in a while some one gets hurt, but no one is in the pit to hurt one another, and if there is some one like that, they're rapidly ganged up on until they are forced out. If you're in a pit, and you get knocked down, there are about 3 guys who are going to instantly extend a hand and help you back up. It really is an experience that you can't describe to some one else whose never been involved in one.

And for what it's worth, I've been to more metal shows than I have classical or Jazz, and I've seen just as many fights at each, which is 0. The stereotype that metal shows are dangerous or violent places is just flat out wrong. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that I'd be pretty sure that you could have a metal show and just let the metal heads police themselves, and everyone would leave the show in perfect health.

If you want to know what metal shows are all about, here's a story, that I saw happen with my own eyes. My buddies are in a death metal band, and I went out to go see them and what not, and there was a dude in a wheel chair there kickin' ass and rocking out. About half way through one of the last songs for the head liner, some guys in the crowd picked up the kid in the wheel chair, in his chair, and let him crowd surf in his chair, pretty much seeing the show for the first time. Those are metal heads.

But hey, let's continue to talk out of our ass about things we don't know anything about.

 

[Jim Campbell]

They have stage security and separate the crowd at Justin Beiber concerts.

If you've ever been in a pit, you'd know that it's not a "violent" thing. Yea people are running into and crashing into each other, and everyone in a while some one gets hurt, but no one is in the pit to hurt one another, and if there is some one like that, they're rapidly ganged up on until they are forced out. If you're in a pit, and you get knocked down, there are about 3 guys who are going to instantly extend a hand and help you back up. It really is an experience that you can't describe to some one else whose never been involved in one.

And for what it's worth, I've been to more metal shows than I have classical or Jazz, and I've seen just as many fights at each, which is 0. The stereotype that metal shows are dangerous or violent places is just flat out wrong. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that I'd be pretty sure that you could have a metal show and just let the metal heads police themselves, and everyone would leave the show in perfect health.

If you want to know what metal shows are all about, here's a story, that I saw happen with my own eyes. My buddies are in a death metal band, and I went out to go see them and what not, and there was a dude in a wheel chair there kickin' ass and rocking out. About half way through one of the last songs for the head liner, some guys in the crowd picked up the kid in the wheel chair, in his chair, and let him crowd surf in his chair, pretty much seeing the show for the first time. Those are metal heads.

But hey, let's continue to talk out of our ass about things we don't know anything about.

or not......i've actually worked the security,and seen it.....sober.....your experiences may be positive but they are hardly universal.....i'm not sure you can grasp notions like objectivity.....

 

[dj150888]

or not......i've actually worked the security,and seen it.....sober.....your experiences may be positive but they are hardly universal.....i'm not sure you can grasp notions like objectivity.....

I've been to hundreds upon hundreds of metal gigs and I can say I see less violence at an average metal gig than I do in an average bar on a Saturday night. Unless you're misinterpreting moshing/headbanging etc. to be violent actions, I can't see how you perceive an average metal show as more violent than any other time you place a large group of men and alcohol together.

I've also been to a few of the local clubs, playing mostly modern dance/R&B.....not one night have I ever been there and not seen a fight.

 

[modulusman]

No fights at metal shows cause there are no women there to fight over.

 

[nealpolitan]

Yes, metal does have some kids who like to mosh and such, myself involved. But, do people not dance at R&B shows? Moshing, crowd surfing, all those things portrayed as "violent" behavior is simply our (I use "our" loosely, refering to metalheads) way of dancing.

Dancing at metal shows:

 

[dj150888]

My own metal band has two women in it! Surprisingly, neither of them sing!

 

[sloasdaylight]

or not......i've actually worked the security,and seen it.....sober.....your experiences may be positive but they are hardly universal.....i'm not sure you can grasp notions like objectivity.....

First of all, I like how you're using your experiences to tell me my experiences don't count, as if yours have more weight. I haven't been to as many shows as DJ has, but I've probably been to somewhere between 100 and 150 metal shows in the last 2-3 years, and I have not once seen a fight. That's a pretty big percentage in my favor, higher than all the rap concerts/shows I've been to, and on par with the classical performances and jazz gigs I've been to.

Second, I drink lightly at shows, and you don't even know me, so don't go and tell me that I'm not seeing all this violence because I'm either drunk, high, tripping, or whatever else. That's personally insulting, and frankly a low blow and completely uncalled for.

Third, you're the LAST person on this board to talk to anyone about objectivity.

 

[onionpuzzle]

Stereotypes don't really tell the whole story do they....

Metal -- unevolved troglodytes grunting about Camaros and/or Undead Sea Demons
Blues -- 1-4-5 progressions ad infinitum ad nauseum
Jazz -- Noodle masters squonking on offbeats while adjusting their hats
Alt -- Girl-pants-wearing boys thinking of vintage sweaters while piercing the air with angular downstroke guitars
Country -- Nice Skoal patch in the Wranglers, where's the freaking Ford sponsor chick ?
Prog -- being able to play 11 on the ride, 7 on the snare while playing chess and sing high pitched diatribes of the Troll Uprising.

We all do not fit into neat little boxes of society, why argue about it ?

 

[Jim Campbell]

Second, I drink lightly at shows, and you don't even know me, so don't go and tell me that I'm not seeing all this violence because I'm either drunk, high, tripping, or whatever else. That's personally insulting, and frankly a low blow and completely uncalled for.

Third, you're the LAST person on this board to talk to anyone about objectivity.

what i said was working somewhere sober at an event generally gives one a better picture than a participant might have.... frankly after reading your stuff i wish i could say i didn't "know" you.....you wish to follow me around from thread to thread with insults.......fine....i'll play

 

[NOAH_FX]

They have stage security and separate the crowd at Justin Beiber concerts.

If you've ever been in a pit, you'd know that it's not a "violent" thing. Yea people are running into and crashing into each other, and everyone in a while some one gets hurt, but no one is in the pit to hurt one another, and if there is some one like that, they're rapidly ganged up on until they are forced out. If you're in a pit, and you get knocked down, there are about 3 guys who are going to instantly extend a hand and help you back up. It really is an experience that you can't describe to some one else whose never been involved in one.

And for what it's worth, I've been to more metal shows than I have classical or Jazz, and I've seen just as many fights at each, which is 0. The stereotype that metal shows are dangerous or violent places is just flat out wrong. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that I'd be pretty sure that you could have a metal show and just let the metal heads police themselves, and everyone would leave the show in perfect health.

If you want to know what metal shows are all about, here's a story, that I saw happen with my own eyes. My buddies are in a death metal band, and I went out to go see them and what not, and there was a dude in a wheel chair there kickin' ass and rocking out. About half way through one of the last songs for the head liner, some guys in the crowd picked up the kid in the wheel chair, in his chair, and let him crowd surf in his chair, pretty much seeing the show for the first time. Those are metal heads.

But hey, let's continue to talk out of our ass about things we don't know anything about.

I saw a guy blow a shoulder while i was in for Slayer in the summer, Instantly me and another dude were over him blocking others, trying to get him back up without hurting him too bad, than a buncha guys helped him out of the pit, everyone got out of the way... I went DOWN HARD for lamb of God, like got thrown into empty space fell backwards hit my head...Three guys pick me up off the ground (Im 190 not 140 lol) and huck me up onto the crowd, where i proceed to get crowd surfed to saftey.. at the time i was mad i had to try and get back to that pit... Which seemed Impossible, but had I been hurt, i was not in the best spot to try and get help..

Metal Fans, you done be so damn considerate

 

[aborgman]

They have stage security and separate the crowd at Justin Beiber concerts.

Sure - but there is no doubt there are more incidents at metal shows than Bieber concerts.

...and there are more incidents are Rap/Hip-Hop shows than metal shows.

That is just the statistical reality.

 

[NOAH_FX]

Sure - but there is no doubt there are more incidents at metal shows than Bieber concerts.

...and there are more incidents are Rap/Hip-Hop shows than metal shows.

That is just the statistical reality.

Only show i've ever been scared in the pit was Manson.. Something about that guy brings some wierd dudes around... Same with NIN.. Just wierd freaky people, i felt safer during the Lamb of God wall of death than standing at the bar for Manson..

 

[MikeBass]

Only show i've ever been scared in the pit was Manson.. Something about that guy brings some wierd dudes around... Same with NIN.. Just wierd freaky people, i felt safer during the Lamb of God wall of death than standing at the bar for Manson..

Because there are extream people everywhere- and some who believe his BS and are just disconnected enough to NOT get it's nothing but an act/show.

He's cashed in on the "image" more so than a lot.

 

[1stOfficerRiker]

Lost respect at "booing another bassist." If it were me you were booing, you would've been crappin your own teeth out the next day.

 

[SanDiegoHarry]

So quit implying that this is regular behavior from metal in general. It's really not, and you couldn't be more out of touch if you actually believe the stereotypes. Yes, the stereotypes are true occasionally, but you find egos and jerks in any genre. You also find nerds and geeks in any genre.

You don't like metal. We get it, but the genre has nothing to do with being a jerk. Being a jerk and getting wasted isn't "metal".

The problem is that is TYPICAL behavior - Like a CW gig without rednecks, it's hard to imagine a metal gig without knuckleheads.

 

[Burlington]

The problem is that is TYPICAL behavior - Like a CW gig without rednecks, it's hard to imagine a metal gig without knuckleheads.

I've been to quite a few actually.


This may come off as rude.... but in general, if an old guy is telling you about what metal is, ignore him. They have no clue what it's really about.