Well, maybe because new music suxx

[wintremute]

I don't feed click bait articles. There's still good music out there, you just have to look for it. In the "good old days" there were only a couple of outlets so it was easier to find good music. Old farts, myself included, sometimes forget that there was a lot of God awful music produced in the "good old days" although I do believe that the 60's was an era that will never be replicated. The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Aretha Franklin, Otis Redding, Sly and the Family Stone, Led Zeppelin, and dozens of other killer musicians/bands. If you think that depth and breadth of talent exists today, you're just delusional.

I don't think the article itself was for click baits. I think it was a well thought out view on the current music industry, with the author's opinions backed up with some factual evidence, and an uplifting ending. It was an actual essay, and not just a string of pictures to click through. I highly recommend that you read it.

The title of this thread, though? That was definitely click bait.

 

[buldog5151bass]

I guess it's both. We're being paid for a service. So, certainly, from a venue's perspective we're a business.

There's no law saying that you need to do this, however. I'm an old guy who first recorded on tape, so I'm not a perfect example, but I limit my recordings to between 16 and 24 tracks at the absolute most, 24 being for if I expand the drums from a stereo track to individual tracks. Some have far fewer. My kid records in their room on a USB mic and puts out one or two track recordings.

You also have to assume that the people who are listening to overcompressed tunes with the the trap beats are hearing something that makes it worth listening to. I'm not gonna say it's good, because I really don't know how to listen to it, but that's on me. Music that is popular serves a function for somebody and the fact that I'm unable to listen to just proves that I'm not educated on how to listen to it. If I was educated on how to listen to pop hits of 2022, I could show that it was all a bunch of bull or not.

It took 30 years to convince me that "Don't Stop Believin'" was functional music, but now I'm convinced.

The other thing that has happened is that, in the absence of a compelling dominant narrative for music, there are tons and tons of hugely popular artists who work in what used to be tiny indy niches. Bands who can't get on the radio are more popular than ever. The entire continent of Australia is bursting with creative rock. My kid has an entire universe of LGBTQ-friendly punk and alternative to listen to. Earnest Berklee grads with beards are selling out their own shows, etc., etc. It gets harder and harder to follow what's going on, but there are infinite numbers of pockets to look into.

The fact is, even most home recordings use too many tracks. The days of bouncing tracks, and making every track count is LONG over.

 

[Marc valero]

So what's so fresh about this? Aren't there a hundred bands on soul train that did this even better, without the Poppy "a thousand singer sounding the same" front(wo)man?

Yeah, the bass line is dope. The song grooves. It's catchy. I won't change the station if it comes on in the car.

I also will have forgotten all about Dua Lipa in 5 years.

Along with rap and such, it is a bit of dance/pop world now on the charts. I am an oldie (67), but like this Dua Lipa song, who of course teamed up with Elton John for a modern mashup and even Country artist Maren Morris had a huge highly produced, but catchy dance hit with In The Middle. There is good and bad from every era. I will add, with the ever increasing number of obese people, there will always be a need for up-tempo workout tunes.

 

[wintremute]

Your music is the real stuff.
Your parents' music is horrible cheesy and square.
Your grandparents' music is quaint and interesting.
Your great-grandparents' music is the real stuff, from a different era.

...Anything after your generation sucks

 

[TyBo]

Don't really agree with the back-then-it-was-all-good, now-it's-all-deteriorating frame of mind. It's never been so good musically, methinks. All the older stuff is readily available plus all the new and fresh stuff as well. What more can one ask for? I mean, don't you like Blu's neo funky version of a Talking Heads classic, which version wouldn't have been possible in the 80s?

I mentioned Blu in an earlier thread ("Ah have lusted in mah heart" , talking about her beautiful J Bass). I'm a fan of her playing, and she has great stage presence. Her singing ...could be better, imo, if she approached it differently. But she's basically going for a girly Tik Tok sort of voice that sounds pretty limited to me ... she's generated a big fan base that way, so I can't fault her in that sense, even though I think she has the potential for more. David Byrne's voice is sort of mannered itself, but it suits the song (after all, the song was written in his voice ) ... he's quite a songwriter. I don't see Blu there quite yet, in singing and song writing, but I have hope for her. I'd most certainly want her in my band!

 

[lfmn16]

I will add with the ever increasing numbers of obese people there will always be a need for up-tempo workout songs.

More moo, moo than muumuu

 

[Neil Folkard]

Who cares about the charts? The last two years has seen an explosive array of high-quality new music released. There is so much good stuff out there, that I can barely keep up. If people want to continue listening to what they did in high-school, and complain there is no good music anymore, that is on them. It's all out there, spread across all genres, if you care to look. Here is but one example, of many:



Neil

 

[truand85]

It seems to me that you're are looking for people to name bands that appeal to you, that inspire you, that elevate you...and that you dismiss bands that appeal to other people, that inspire other people, that elevate other people.

It reminds me of when some of the forum got upset because Billie Eilish didn't know who Eddie Van Halen was. Right now there are a lot of people being inspired by Billie and her brother, and in 30 years they will still be talking about Billie, but they won't be talking about Eddie.

Enjoy the music that you enjoy, and try not to get to lost in the possibility that some other people are not inspired by it nor enjoy it.

Seems to you wrong. As for Van Halen, pretty sure that since it's still on the radio multiple times a day everyday in 2022, 50+ years later, I have confidence it'll still be an icon and reference that is talked about and listened to 30, 40, 50 and likely many more decades after that, but you're free to believe otherwise of course

By the way, Van Halen was still filling stadiums in 2015. I guarantee you there are more kids today being inspired by them than Billie Eilish.

 

[brianrost]

the idea of waiting for the next Sgt. Peppers just isn't out there

That's OK, people are still buying the original. It's been high on the list of best selling vinyl pretty much since the year 2000. Here's the top 100 for 2010 to 2019. Read it and weep.

1 RUMOURS FLEETWOOD MAC
2 BACK TO BLACK AMY WINEHOUSE
3 THE DARK SIDE OF THE MOON PINK FLOYD
4 GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY - AWESOME MIX 1ORIGINAL SOUNDTRACK
5 THE STONE ROSES STONE ROSES
6 AM ARCTIC MONKEYS
7 WHAT'S THE STORY MORNING GLORY OASIS
8 SGT PEPPER'S LONELY HEARTS CLUB BAND BEATLES
9 NEVERMIND NIRVANA
10 LEGEND BOB MARLEY & THE WAILERS
11 GREATEST HITS QUEEN
12 ABBEY ROAD BEATLES

 

[Old_Noob]

My 2 cents: Few people BUY albums or follow bands anymore. Yeah, there might be a popular song on Spotify, but no one will remember who the band is and it will be replaced in a few months time when the algorithm is updated. The music itself is fairly interchangeable. Without a "band" or personality following, the tune becomes lost amidst the sea of similar sounding stuff.

 

[mike buzzetti]

Who cares about the charts? The last two years has seen an explosive array of high-quality new music released. There is so much good stuff out there, that I can barely keep up. If people want to continue listening to what they did in high-school, and complain there is no good music anymore, that is on them. It's all out there, spread across all genres, if you care to look. Here is but one example, of many:



Neil

Oh look Weather Report copies !!! lol , where are the GOOD SONGS ya know well written memorable ones ?? thats what seems to be missing to me , If Im wrong show me something that doesnt sound like Adell

 

[turf3]

Yeah turf3 is wrong with just about everything he says in this thread. It's just a lot of opinions and assumptions. And yeah, he's no different than anyone else that's aged and thinks everything today sucks.

Well, aren't we the tender little one?

Maybe hearing the truth awakens some thoughts you'd rather not have?

OK, then, having rethought it, the Millennials and Gen-Z are the most innovative, productive generation ever, and even their mass produced pop music exceeds in artistry anything ever produced before, not to exclude the works of Bach, Ellington, and the Carter Familly. I've come to the conclusion that truly the most important cultural milestones of the last thousand years have come from Taylor Swift and Lady Gaga. Sorry for being old and having read, studied, and listened to the last six hundred years of music, when I should have been spending all my time on Twitter. That's where the real value comes from.

 

[Mechanical]

I think the point of all this is that new music is more dispersed nowadays (read: hard to find) and what's on the radio for the large part is commodified. That doesn't make it good or bad, but just commodified.

I have two kids in their teens. Most of what they listen to isn't what you'd call new, with certain exceptions.
Bruno Mars is one.

That is in stark contrast to me, who only listened to music that was within 5 years of my age at the time. So in 1986, I wouldn't think about listening to anything older than 1981.

Unless it was the Ramones.

 

[Plectrum72]

DI anyone read the entire article? The last paragraph, "I can understand the frustrations of music lovers who get no satisfaction from current mainstream songs, though they try and they try. I also lament the lack of imagination on many modern hits. But I disagree with my Boomer friends' larger verdict. I listen to two to three hours of new music every day, and I know that plenty of exceptional young musicians are out there trying to make it. They exist. But the music industry has lost its ability to discover and nurture their talents."

 

[truand85]

Well, aren't we the tender little one?

that's it that's all.

 

[turf3]

That's OK, people are still buying the original. It's been high on the list of best selling vinyl pretty much since the year 2000. Here's the top 100 for 2010 to 2019. Read it and weep.

1 RUMOURS FLEETWOOD MAC
2 BACK TO BLACK AMY WINEHOUSE
3 THE DARK SIDE OF THE MOON PINK FLOYD
4 GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY - AWESOME MIX 1ORIGINAL SOUNDTRACK
5 THE STONE ROSES STONE ROSES
6 AM ARCTIC MONKEYS
7 WHAT'S THE STORY MORNING GLORY OASIS
8 SGT PEPPER'S LONELY HEARTS CLUB BAND BEATLES
9 NEVERMIND NIRVANA
10 LEGEND BOB MARLEY & THE WAILERS
11 GREATEST HITS QUEEN
12 ABBEY ROAD BEATLES

You should have highlighted the Bob Marley, the Queen, and the Pink Floyd albums as well. So, 5 of top 11 in 2010-2019 were released before 1980.

 

[TyBo]

Who cares about the charts? The last two years has seen an explosive array of high-quality new music released. There is so much good stuff out there, that I can barely keep up. If people want to continue listening to what they did in high-school, and complain there is no good music anymore, that is on them. It's all out there, spread across all genres, if you care to look. Here is but one example, of many:



Neil

There we go. Nice!

 

[Bunk McNulty]

Sorry about your cover band, Boomer.

(this is humor)

In fact, this is a great time to be in a "classic rock" cover band. People want the old stuff, and we've got it, we like it, and we know how to play it.

 

[BarqsBitMe]

Based. Bassed? I dunno.

Jokes aside, I agree so much. There's a sort of "community tone" (which heavily involves ageism and sexism) that I notice on TB, and I've participated in it a few times as a joke, because frankly I thought we were all joking. Every now and then, I have to be reminded that people actually believe that garbage.

On TB it does seem to be mostly harmless and people just joking around...but I have come across a few comments from certain members of advanced age who actually believe that kind of trash. Idiocy is ageless.

 

[primusfan1989]

Well, let's face it, Millennials and Gen-Z haven't come up with anything new except avocado toast, the man-bun, and covering your ENTIRE body with tattoos (Yeah, I know, my father's WW2 Navy buddies had tattoos...). No wonder they're constantly trying to cop our music.

You apparently haven't been paying attention if thats all you can credit to the generations beneath you. Ok Ill get off your lawn