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What a sad little man...

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I think what he's getting at is that a lot of pedal manufacturers know nothing about actually playing an instrument.
Sorry buddy, but Kirk is wrong on this one, it's not about being offended, it's about being wrong and misrepresenting an entire community.

Pedal manufacturers run by musicians:
Fuzzrocious
Old Blood Noise Endeavors
Smallsound/Bigsound
Dwarfcraft
Salvage Custom
Earthquaker Devices
Mantic Effects
Fredric Effects
Greer Amps
Twin Stomp
Caroline Guitar Company
Catalinbread
Wampler
T1M
Fulltone
Analogman
Abominable Electronics
Mr. Black
The list goes on...

And these people actually make their pedals, not just slap their name on them.
 
He's no more involved in the building of these pedals than Rachel Ray is in the manufacture of " her" dog food.

Oh dear!

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I wonder when Mario Batali is putting out his flavor.
 
I stand by my own statement that the profits are great for pedal manufacturers.

You can stand by your statement. Just understand that it's largely wrong. The companies that make large profits from pedals are the large corporations that have them built in China. Most of the companies that hand build pedals are not making huge profits. You do not get into the pedal business to get rich.
 
Back in my day people would just laugh this sort of comment off, shrug their shoulders and forget it was ever said.

These days folks cant wait to run out and get their feelings hurt so they can whine and moan about it and then try to hurt the offending party's feelings too and get everyone on the internet riled up about it.

It's just a dumb comment. Anyone here ever make a dumb comment before?
 
Back in my day people would just laugh this sort of comment off, shrug their shoulders and forget it was ever said.

These days folks cant wait to run out and get their feelings hurt so they can whine and moan about it and then try to hurt the offending party's feelings too and get everyone on the internet riled up about it.

It's just a dumb comment. Anyone here ever make a dumb comment before?

I make dumb comments all the time.

I just don't broadcast my dumb comments as fact to millions of people and claim it as fact. This is pure Kanye West-ing.
 
He's kind of funny. Starting in the mid-to late '70's every guitar player worth his salt used pedals Without exception. In the early-mid-eighties, bass pedals became available.. For someone who was trained by Joe Satriani, it shows a lack of history.
 
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Sorry buddy, but Kirk is wrong on this one, it's not about being offended, it's about being wrong and misrepresenting an entire community.

Pedal manufacturers run by musicians:
Fuzzrocious
Old Blood Noise Endeavors
Smallsound/Bigsound
Dwarfcraft
Salvage Custom
Earthquaker Devices
Mantic Effects
Fredric Effects
Greer Amps
Twin Stomp
Caroline Guitar Company
Catalinbread
Wampler
T1M
Fulltone
Analogman
Abominable Electronics
Mr. Black
The list goes on...

And these people actually make their pedals, not just slap their name on them.
Kirk's statement is likely aimed at the beginner guitar center crowd that has never heard of any of those companies.
 
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When I think about pedal manufacturers, I am thinking about those big ones, because they have the majority of the market.
Those companies also see the low hanging fruit aspect of it, and it's why they got into it.


I have to disagree. I've spoken to more than a few designers (big and small) and these guys know what they're talking about. Especially the big ones who get input from all the big names in the world of guitar and bass. So they've got a heck of a lot more than just their own ability, opinions, and experience to draw on.

From my experiences talking with them, they ALL knew as much about music, and music performance, as I did. But they also knew fifty times more than I do about circuit design.

As far as being in t for the money, they damn well better be if they want to stay in business and grow. The ones that don't stay small and go boutique. Which is fine. These people are half patrons of the art. They can create things it makes no sense (due to lack of demand) to produce in quantity, But for the player who wants something unique, these folks are the bee's knees. They build em' - others buy them - and it's a win-win.

But what the big guys can do that the boutiques shops can't, is deliver some gems like the EHX East River Drive or Analogizer for under $75. Which is great because not everybody can swing something like a Klon Centaur or a Hermida Zendrive when they want to build a little sonic spice rack for their toolkit.

There's room for big and small pedal makers. And to quote Spinal Tap:

I see you dancing there in front of the band
You're playing those solos with no guitar in your hand
I don't pull no punches, I wouldn't waste your time
And just 'cause it pays, that ain't no crime.

I don't need a woman, I won't take me no wife
I get their rock and roll and that'll be my life
No page in history, baby
That I don't need
I just want to make some eardrums bleed.
 
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My hobby is Bass and getting laid. I'm doing at least one of those two things right now.

Take up welding maybe? I dunno. My point is, people need to chill. Kirk is just (to use an archaic advertising term) puffing, nothing more.

EDIT: Darn it, I'm getting slow in my old age. Missed the chance to make a "do her doggie style so you can both read the thread" joke. Oh well. ;-)
 
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