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What are you reading, Chapter 2

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Consider the fact that if writing is good enough to be exported, it is probably good writing.

Sure. That's why I read it. That's the whole point.

That should silence your silliness about the supposed supremacy of English writers

I certainly never said that English writers were superior, but that English publishers are. Still, there's a respect for the language English have that American writers (and certainly readers) do not.

I'm taking it on faith that there are good American writers out there...somewhere...struggling over manuscripts no one will ever read. :(

I can't think of a single American fiction writer currently working, with the possible exception of Furst, I would intentionally read. There are a few that are "OK," but that's all.

For the most part they are compelled by their publishers to write down to the American reader (nobody mastered this more profitably than Stephen King, who, incredibly, is actually an excellent writer when not writing "subway books"), which is extremely discouraging. A number of fed-up writers have discussed this in interviews. Others reach an accommodation, given the rewards if they do.

The challenge is, "how well can I write within the confines of this straitjacket?" A couple of writers I liked quite a bit gave up writing because they were sick of it.

Writers write for publishers, not readers, and American publishers seek and therefore receive mediocre product, which is then marketed mainly to a broad semiliterate readership. Geshift iz geshift!

I find myself reading more and more unsatisfactory writing and resigning myself to it, which disgusts me.
 
I find myself reading more and more unsatisfactory writing and resigning myself to it, which disgusts me.

That's a sad situation to be in :(

Here, try this. (Note the common thread in the one-star reviews of "too clever structure / language for me", chuckle, and ignore).

Banks got a mention in the Sci-Fi thread (the one where I still owe you a reply as soon as I get an hour to treat the topic with the respect it deserves) but he writes "literature" as well. This, and his debut novel are probably his best work in that category. (Here's a friend of mine's review of the latter book).
 
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Finishing this, very good:

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It includes, among other cold-war horrors, the astonishing story of the USAF's futile, wasteful and infinitely hazardous quest to make nuclear-powered bombers.
 
(Note the common thread in the one-star reviews of "too clever structure / language for me", chuckle, and ignore).
I dunno.

I believe (with Orwell) that the writer should be invisible.

To the extent he becomes conspicuous, he fails. To the extent he tries to show off (like, say, McMurtry or Palahniuk, in different ways) I find him repugnant and unreadable.

"Clever" writers are insufferable, as is "experimental" writing. I think I found it entertaining when I was much younger, but I've outgrown that.

If you have something to say, just say it -- with the maximum grace, subtlety and facility of which you're capable.

On the other hand, a few strange writers like Irvine Welsh are not writing in unconventional ways to be smartasses, but just to keep up with the sheer wildness and intensity of their characters. That's forgivable.
 
If you have something to say, just say it -- with the maximum grace, subtlety and facility of which you're capable.

On the other hand, a few strange writers like Irvine Welsh are not writing in unconventional ways to be smartasses, but just to keep up with the sheer wildness and intensity of their characters. That's forgivable.

Inappropriate technical game-playing is just wanking. No dispute. True for bass playing, true for books.

I don't mind an author making me work a little harder in order to create a particular effect. Banks often does this (yes, I'm "derf" in the review blog) often by intentionally depriving the reader of a certain amount of necessary context until part-way through the narrative. Once the last piece clicks into place, everything you've read up to that point crystallizes very rapidly, often in an "oh s***" moment. Takes serious technical chops to pull that off smoothly, and, most of the time he does it well.

There's some overlap between Welsh and Banks, but Banks is more versatile and understands the difference between "using the feather and using the whole damn chicken."
 
Recently finished God's War by Kameron Hurley, which is in interesting sci-fi novel that sucked me in due to the fact that the author just drops you right into the action with no inital clue as to the world she built, which is just different enough to make you wonder what's going on.

Not sure what I'm going to read next. I have a few that I started but set aside for one reason or another:

The Rolling Stones by Robert Heinlein
Flag in Exile by David Weber
Catalyst by Paul Byers
The Keep by F. Paul Wilson
 
This is on its way:

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Like the irritating Le Carre, Rankin has reached that point in his success where he thinks he's entitled to preach at his readers, but I'll give this a look anyway. We'll see.
 
Tina Fey is one of the best women in comedy in a long time. I love her.

As for me...

I just finished my 3rd Charles Dickens novel and it's official, he is my favorite author of all time.
I'm in between book right now and I'm debating whether I should pick up another one by Dickens, or try something new. The problem is, I don't like a whole lot of current or modern authors. I always gravitate towards the early 20th century or earlier.

Any suggestions?
 
Creepy cover award of the year.

What were they thinking?

Ew.
It'd be funny?
Tina Fey is one of the best women in comedy in a long time. I love her.

As for me...

I just finished my 3rd Charles Dickens novel and it's official, he is my favorite author of all time.
I'm in between book right now and I'm debating whether I should pick up another one by Dickens, or try something new. The problem is, I don't like a whole lot of current or modern authors. I always gravitate towards the early 20th century or earlier.

Any suggestions?
My girlfriend loves Charles Dickens. She's read pretty much his entire body of novels. She compares him (fairly or not) to John Irving. Don't know if you've read any of his stuff, but apparently they both ring true with her.
 
I don't like a whole lot of current or modern authors. I always gravitate towards the early 20th century or earlier.

Any suggestions?

Conrad.

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I can't imagine never having read Conrad. When I first read Heart of Darkness at twenty-eight, I was simply astounded. I'm sure I've read it at least thirty times in the interim.

Conrad didn't know a word of English until he was in his twenties.

The books and stories narrated by "Charles Marlow" tend to hinge on what happens when vain humans undertake great plans and are crushed like bugs.

It helps to know that much in these stories is true and autobiographical.

The wonderful novella, "Youth," is a fine place to start -- absurd, horrible, funny and pretty much true. The ship's real name was the Palestine.

It's free online in a number of formats, including a first edition facsimile.
 
I just finished my 3rd Charles Dickens novel and it's official, he is my favorite author of all time.
I'm in between book right now and I'm debating whether I should pick up another one by Dickens, or try something new. The problem is, I don't like a whole lot of current or modern authors. I always gravitate towards the early 20th century or earlier.

Any suggestions?

David Foster Wallace.

Raymond Carver.

Thomas Pynchon.


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And Joseph Conrad. If only for Apocalypse Now! ;)
 
Once An Eagle

I'm taking care of a terminally ill fella and he's having me read this book aloud to him...for about 5 hours a day (no exaggeration) out of an 8 hour work day. :help:

If you like Army history, it's a pretty interesting novel. It's fiction but it's based on true stories and has lots of accurate world history in it.
 
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I got about half way through Complicity and then left it at my folks when I visited. Started on another book and so on and so on, so never got back to it.

After reading it I have to say that it's not one of his better books. Not bad, just not up to his usual standard.

I bought Inherent Vice when it first came out--fun book, but it doesn't really explain why Pynchon is so highly revered (if you're interested in that sort of thing).

Knocked it off in one go last night while sweating out a touch of 'flu, which isn't something you normally say about a Pynchon book. Definitely a fun read, but kinda "comes from nowhere and goes to nowhere". Doritos in book form :)
 
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