What happened to Hadrien Feraud?!

[Billy Low]

Is this the video you're talking about?

No, That was not the encounter. I was not around while that was recorded. Thanks for pulling it up though. I'm sorry, I should have made it more clear that I saw this personally at Winter NAMM 12 with my own eyes, not YOUtube.

 

[Billy Low]

Carry on, I gotta see which one of Hadrien's gigs I can catch...so many choices!

WOW! Really? Well let me know how much his gig bag weighs when you carry it out for him. :scowl:

I don't do idolatry.

 

[JimmyM]

I'll bet M has no problem going to a movie and criticizing it even though he can't direct or act. I'll bet he's slagged a bass player or two in his life as well Come on, dude, lighten up!

 

[mstott25]

I don't do idolatry.

No, you just do folklore.

Dude, I saw Etienne Mbappe make childs play of Hadrien's playing without breaking a sweat OR BREAKING THE GROOVE! As they were playing Etienne was fielding questions, and holding down a fat groove for Hadrien as if they were in different booths (meaning he was listening and supporting but not DEPENDING on him) then when he soloed he did some really tasty stuff, that is until Hadrien stepped on the groove! Etienne started talking again to someone in the audience and began to mimic Hadriens runs, cleaner, faster, and funkier than Hadrien....and went back to holding the groove. It was as to say "if you wanted step on me this is how you should have done it".

and then Etienne pulled his cape out and flew across the auditorium and looked at me and said, "Billy Low, this was all for YOU. I have chosen you"

lol, where do you people come from?

I'll bet M has no problem going to a movie and criticizing it even though he can't direct or act. I'll bet he's slagged a bass player or two in his life as well Come on, dude, lighten up!

ha, ha...but it would definitely be different if I had a website and billed myself as the actor with seven vocal cords who could recite my lines in the lowest voice discernible to the human ear, the low vocal cord theory

 

[Roy Vogt]

Just off the top of my head I recall the following remarks about the world's best bass players offered in this shrine of virtuosity, the Talkbass "Bassists" section:

"Steve Bailey can't play in tune, Victor Wooten plays too many notes, Richard Bona always plays the same lick, Tal Wilkenfeld is only famous because she's a girl, Janek Gwizdala and Matt Garrison are overrated, Jeff Berlin's tone doesn't mix well and he's an egomaniac, Carol Kaye is old and irrelevant, Hadrien Feraud can't keep a gig" and most recently, "only plays warmed over chordal finger exercises..."

Frankly, this is the one part of Talkbass I could happily do without and try to ignore. I do find it ironic that the "out of tune" Steve Bailey is the new Chair of the Bass Department at Berklee and is touring with Victor Wooten who is playing "too many notes" on a Fodera that is "overpriced and not as good as my SX Jazz Bass". I could go on, but you all know the drill all too well.
If I could change one thing about this forum it would be that everyone would use their own names. I loved what Larry Hartke said a month or so back, "What are all you guys afraid of?"

 

[JAUQO III-X]

ha, ha...but it would definitely be different if I had a website and billed myself as the actor with seven vocal cords who could recite my lines in the lowest voice discernible to the human ear, the low vocal cord theory

 

[JAUQO III-X]

If I could change one thing about this forum it would be that everyone would use their own names.

That would be such a beautiful thing Roy.

I loved what Larry Hartke said a month or so back, "What are all you guys afraid of?"

I agree with Larry.

 

[mstott25]

Frankly, this is the one part of Talkbass I could happily do without and try to ignore. I do find it ironic that the "out of tune" Steve Bailey is the new Chair of the Bass Department at Berklee and is touring with Victor Wooten who is playing "too many notes" on a Fodera that is "overpriced and not as good as my SX Jazz Bass". I could go on, but you all know the drill all too well.
If I could change one thing about this forum it would be that everyone would use their own names. I loved what Larry Hartke said a month or so back, "What are all you guys afraid of?"

Well you've always conducted yourself with a ton of class and professionalism on these boards and everybody notices. I suppose for my sanity I should just avoid these conversations.

This is why I never go within ten feet of a Tal Wilkenfeld thread, I'd have a conniption fit with all the trash talked about her, all of a sudden everybody around here is on a first name basis with Herbie Hancock, Vinnie Colaiuta and Lee Ritenour and Tal's skipped ahead of them because she's a ... girl. Riiiiiiiiiight.

 

[scotch]

[QUOTE="Roy Vogt]...
If I could change one thing about this forum it would be that everyone would use their own names. I loved what Larry Hartke said a month or so back, "What are all you guys afraid of?"[/QUOTE]

Yeah. Annonymity is a real enabler online, isn't it?

For a while, I just went by 'Scotch' here on tb. Seemed to be the norm, so why not? Then I heard a discussion on NPR about online annonymity & how it breeds poor communication and responsibility. I decided after that to fill out my user profile & own who I am. Learning experience.

As a result, I think I do a better job communicating & maintaining a higher road. I still keep my tb 'handle', but it's easy enough for members to figure out who I am through the signature below.

As far as this Hadrien stuff goes- it's easy to criticize, harder to do. True about anything in the real world!

 

[Jazz Ad]

There are good reasons to anonimity. I don't want my employer to know what I do in my free time and I want to be able to talk about my job on public forums.

 

[notverygood]

Using your real name online is one of the dumbest things you can do if you have a day job. With todays big brother employer's who google their employees on a regular basis, you might as well ask for their pin numbers too. it isn't a real good idea even if you don't have to worry about an employer either. You just never know who you are talking to. It wouldn't help anything anyway.

 

[Roy Vogt]

Not using your real name wouldn't be an issue if some posters wouldn't use it as am excuse to behave with the subtle civility of an 8th Grade Gym Class.

 

[scotch]

Thats the whole point though- by honestly representing who you are, you think harder about what you post & how you treat people.

Don't think for a second that we aren't ALL under the same scrutiny from employers, future clients, business peers, endorsement relations, etc... While I remain fairly "edgy" on social media (facebook, twitter), I am very aware that the artists I work for (and as such, represent to some degree) can read what I post. It helps make me more circumspect & responsible.

Of course, there are no "rules" that you cannot be anonymous online. I think some of us are simply saying that there's far more accountability for those that choose not to be.

 

[esa372]

If I could change one thing about this forum it would be that everyone would use their own names. I loved what Larry Hartke said a month or so back, "What are all you guys afraid of?"

Why on earth would Mr. Hartke think that the use of a nickname is rooted in fear?

 

[notverygood]

Thats the whole point though- by honestly representing who you are, you think harder about what you post & how you treat people.

Don't think for a second that we aren't ALL under the same scrutiny from employers, future clients, business peers, endorsement relations, etc... While I remain fairly "edgy" on social media (facebook, twitter), I am very aware that the artists I work for (and as such, represent to some degree) can read what I post. It helps make me more circumspect & responsible.

Of course, there are no "rules" that you cannot be anonymous online. I think some of us are simply saying that there's far more accountability for those that choose not to be.

Not really. I can think of several threads and post made by real name users that were childish and out of bounds. And really, you're not in the same boat as a teacher or lower level office worker. I seriously doubt an artist is going to come down on you like a school board could. ( for example) It's just not a good idea, esp for some low level payoff like impressing another bass player. Some people who use this board are teens, who should never put their name or info online. Really, is knowing my name going to make my opinion of your crappy bass easier to swallow? J/K

 

[scotch]

Why on earth would Mr. Hartke think that the use of a nickname is rooted in fear?

notverygood has a post above that is a perfect example!

 

[notverygood]

notverygood has a post above that is a perfect example!

I can't tell if you are agreeing with me or disagreeing.

 

[Highs&Lows]

btw. this is from another John Mclaughlin interview from All About Jazz:

“So, anyway, my manager had heard about this kid and we were speaking one day and he said, ‘You know I’ve heard this bass player,’ and my antenna went up, and I said, ‘Let me hear him, whatever he’s got,’ and he played me something that was just rough, a demo. I called him right away and said, ‘Listen, come down here, I’m in the middle of recording, and there’s this tune you have to play on.’ I’d already written ‘For Jaco,’ and I didn’t even know who was gonna play on it, I really didn’t. But this tune was so much for Jaco and it couldn’t have been more timely. I heard this kid play, I couldn’t believe it, so I got him down, and we played and we recorded and, for me, he’s the new Jaco [Pastorius]. He’s twenty-two now, it’s terrible! And he doesn’t even read music, but he’s got amazing ears. Harmonically, I say, ‘Do you know this chord?’ and he says, ‘Yeah, yeah, yeah,’ or ‘Let me hear it,’ and boom! he’s got it. Amazing, like Wes Montgomery. Incredible.... "

what ever happened with the band afterwards and why they changed bass players, is another story... but getting these words of praise from John Mclaughlin, who played with the best of the best bass players, shows that he is aware of Hadrien's talent. I wish more people were as well, and instead of always criticizing and teaching about the righta and wrongs (as is music was an exact science), would look for the diversity and beauty in music and its players.

 

[scotch]

Not really. I can think of several threads and post made by real name users that were childish and out of bounds. And really, you're not in the same boat as a teacher or lower level office worker. I seriously doubt an artist is going to come down on you like a school board could. ( for example) It's just not a good idea, esp for some low level payoff like impressing another bass player. Some people who use this board are teens, who should never put their name or info online. Really, is knowing my name going to make my opinion of your crappy bass easier to swallow? J/K

Oh, my internet friend, trust me- my employers are watching & they DO come down on people! I've been extremely fortunate never to get fired from a gig, but I have plenty of colleagues who have - often for very petty crap! Artists spend a lot of time and money developing their "brand", if an employee besmirches that, they can expect retribution!

I actually had an employer comment on my tweets recently. Nothing edgy, but he was definitely letting me know in a nice way that he follows me!

You do have a great point about minors, though! They certainly should be anonymous online. (doesn't help with the quality of discourse, but thats a fair price to protect kids!)

 

[notverygood]

Oh, my internet friend, trust me- my employers are watching & they DO come down on people! I've been extremely fortunate never to get fired from a gig, but I have plenty of colleagues who have - often for very petty crap! Artists spend a lot of time and money developing their "brand", if an employee besmirches that, they can expect retribution!

I actually had an employer comment on my tweets recently. Nothing edgy, but he was definitely letting me know in a nice way that he follows me!

You do have a great point about minors, though! They certainly should be anonymous online. (doesn't help with the quality of discourse, but thats a fair price to protect kids!)

I would have never thought that in the music industry. I guess you are in the same boat. I've seen some people fired from my company for this lately so I guess that's why i've developed a strong opinion on this. What's really funny about all this is I could care less about Hadrian Feraud and yet I'm in a minor dust-up in his thread.