What happened to Hadrien Feraud?!

[Brad Johnson]

btw. this is from another John Mclaughlin interview from All About Jazz:

“So, anyway, my manager had heard about this kid and we were speaking one day and he said, ‘You know I’ve heard this bass player,’ and my antenna went up, and I said, ‘Let me hear him, whatever he’s got,’ and he played me something that was just rough, a demo. I called him right away and said, ‘Listen, come down here, I’m in the middle of recording, and there’s this tune you have to play on.’ I’d already written ‘For Jaco,’ and I didn’t even know who was gonna play on it, I really didn’t. But this tune was so much for Jaco and it couldn’t have been more timely. I heard this kid play, I couldn’t believe it, so I got him down, and we played and we recorded and, for me, he’s the new Jaco [Pastorius]. He’s twenty-two now, it’s terrible! And he doesn’t even read music, but he’s got amazing ears. Harmonically, I say, ‘Do you know this chord?’ and he says, ‘Yeah, yeah, yeah,’ or ‘Let me hear it,’ and boom! he’s got it. Amazing, like Wes Montgomery. Incredible.... "

what ever happened with the band afterwards and why they changed bass players, is another story... but getting these words of praise from John Mclaughlin, who played with the best of the best bass players, shows that he is aware of Hadrien's talent. I wish more people were as well, and instead of always criticizing and teaching about the righta and wrongs (as is music was an exact science), would look for the diversity and beauty in music and its players.

Being aware of his talent makes it all the more puzzling that he could end up in the same soup that many local players find themselves in. I've run into quite a few musicians who, even after they were fired, didn't really understand why they were fired. My favorite was a friend who was puzzled because all he was trying to do was "put some flavor on the music" he was playing. Despite repeatedly being asked to do otherwise by the PERSON SIGNING THE CHECKS. It was a good paying gig and he blew it over ego. IMO save it for when you front your own band.

That ain't rocket science and unlike some I don't think it's hating on someone to point that out, in fact it's a pretty high level cautionary tale for folks in similar situations IMO... if he could get fired, what makes you think you're so special?

 

[bass12]

It's okay to trash another TB member, just don't call his or her bass "ugly".

 

[mstott25]

Being aware of his talent makes it all the more puzzling ...Despite repeatedly being asked to do otherwise by the PERSON SIGNING THE CHECKS. It was a good paying gig and he blew it over ego. IMO save it for when you front your own band.

That ain't rocket science and unlike some I don't think it's hating on someone to point that out, in fact it's a pretty high level cautionary tale for folks in similar situations IMO... if he could get fired, what makes you think you're so special?

Thanks for the cautionary tale of "dowhatyourtoldness" Brad. I think it's very clear that if you are a rare and exceptional talent and your vision ever differs from the "person signing the checks" you should at all costs squash your own integrity and do whatever your told (unless of course you're going after Will Lee's gig)

Now Toe the Line you young bassists! It's all about Business with Brad and the folks, they got to keep the checks coming in and so should you!

I think despite all the words of wisdom offered by the B-Team, Hadrien Feraud is doing just fine.

If it makes some folks feel better to chime in every time there's a Hadrien Feraud topic about how he should've done this or that and it's not rocket science and the guys at the local pub experience the same thing...don't let me sink your battleships.

 

[JimmyM]

Listen, I don't care how talented or "visionary" you are...you either want the gig or you don't want the gig. If you want the gig and your vision isn't the same as the person writing the checks, then you either do their vision or take the chance of getting canned, and you seriously need to think about forming your own band. And I really don't care how legendary you THINK someone is...John McLaughlin is a bona fide legend and has been for 40 years now, and if he says to turn down, you turn down. Or you get fired. And all the righteous indignation in the world will never change that, and arguing about it and thinking Hadrien was in the right to turn up when he was told to turn down is absolutely ridiculous. Witness the end result. Hadrien has moved on and good for him, but he was still in the wrong.

 

[Brad Johnson]

Thanks for the cautionary tale of "dowhatyourtoldness" Brad. I think it's very clear that if you are a rare and exceptional talent and your vision ever differs from the "person signing the checks" you should at all costs squash your own integrity and do whatever your told (unless of course you're going after Will Lee's gig)

Now Toe the Line you young bassists! It's all about Business with Brad and the folks, they got to keep the checks coming in and so should you!

I think despite all the words of wisdom offered by the B-Team, Hadrien Feraud is doing just fine.

If it makes some folks feel better to chime in every time there's a Hadrien Feraud topic about how he should've done this or that and it's not rocket science and the guys at the local pub experience the same thing...don't let me sink your battleships.

Some people are simply too dense to learn anything. It really bothers you that everyone doesn't want to join you in the nice comfy confines of Hadrien's glow. Hope he calls again soon, he'll no doubt be impressed by your internet battling on his behalf.


Incredibly thick as usual, particularly thinking that this has anything to do with integrity, which is simply childish. Continue.

 

[Brad Johnson]

Listen, I don't care how talented or "visionary" you are...you either want the gig or you don't want the gig. If you want the gig and your vision isn't the same as the person writing the checks, then you either do their vision or take the chance of getting canned, and you seriously need to think about forming your own band. And I really don't care how legendary you THINK someone is...John McLaughlin is a bona fide legend and has been for 40 years now, and if he says to turn down, you turn down. Or you get fired. And all the righteous indignation in the world will never change that, and arguing about it and thinking Hadrien was in the right to turn up when he was told to turn down is absolutely ridiculous. Witness the end result. Hadrien has moved on and good for him, but he was still in the wrong.

You're talking to the proverbial wall, Jimmy.

The beauty of TB is that you have all kinds here. This kind will not read your words with anything other than anger/contempt. If they had been the leader there's no way in the world they'd fire Hadrien. After all he's Hadrien... what could he possibly do that they wouldn't put up with?

Nothing. The problem is that people like this rarely do the hiring, they just cry about any perceived slight towards their "hero". IOW...

leave Hadrien alone!


Insert Chris Crocker photo. Yeah, it's like that.

 

[mstott25]

Listen, I don't care how talented or "visionary" you are...rant rant rant

Some people are simply too dense to learn anything. It really bothers you that everyone doesn't want to join you in the nice comfy confines of Hadrien's glow. Hope he calls again soon, he'll no doubt be impressed by your internet battling on his behalf.


Incredibly thick as usual, particularly thinking that this has anything to do with integrity, which is simply childish. Continue.

You're talking to the proverbial wall, Jimmy.

The beauty of TB is that you have all kinds here. This kind will not read your words with anything other than anger/contempt. If they had been the leader there's no way in the world they'd fire Hadrien. After all he's Hadrien... what could he possibly do that they wouldn't put up with?

Nothing. The problem is that people like this rarely do the hiring, they just cry about any perceived slight towards their "hero". IOW...

leave Hadrien alone!


Insert Chris Crocker photo. Yeah, it's like that.

Hey, hey, hey! Calm down everybody.

Man you guys take your internet advice very seriously, sorry to dampen your spirits by not taking it to heart.

Tell you what, when Hadrien wants to hit up the local bar circuit and start covering Lady Gaga covers, I'm sure he'll be all ears and listen to all the advice you guys can give him.

Until then, check this out JimmyM, Brad, Phil and Jauqo!


Oh snap, isn't that Fred Hammond's Donald Hayes? How is that "no pocket Hadrien" getting gigs with these cats?

 

[EddieG]

Personally, I couldnt really care any less about gigs Hadrien was fired from, what he did to get fired, who fired him or any of that nonsense. All I know, is the guy is possessed of technique and ability that AT LEAST 95% of the bassists who frequent TB would love to have.

And if you say you wouldn't, you're a liar.

 

[Kwesi]

All I know, is the guy is possessed of technique and ability that AT LEAST 95% of the bassists who frequent TB would love to have.

And if you say you wouldn't, you're a liar.

You know, I've heard this exact line but with Flea instead of Hadrien . Just trying to say that who we look up to is very personal thing and changes from individual to individual. That said, I'm definitely part of that 95%.

 

[JimmyM]

The lamest argument I ever hear on here is "You only wish you played like _____." Hey, many of you only wish you played as good as Jauqo or Brad, too. Doesn't stop you from criticizing them.

I will say this, though...Hadrien has obviously learned from his experience and is doing well, and good for him. I got no ill will against the guy. I just think there's a lesson there. If you are a leader, lead. If you are a follower, follow. If you're only going to argue and not do what's asked of you, you will be asked to get out of the way.

 

[Phil Smith]

Hey, hey, hey! Calm down everybody.

Man you guys take your internet advice very seriously, sorry to dampen your spirits by not taking it to heart.

Tell you what, when Hadrien wants to hit up the local bar circuit and start covering Lady Gaga covers, I'm sure he'll be all ears and listen to all the advice you guys can give him.

Until then, check this out JimmyM, Brad, Phil and Jauqo!


Oh snap, isn't that Fred Hammond's Donald Hayes? How is that "no pocket Hadrien" getting gigs with these cats?

Well if he's doing what the band leader says, he's already learned the lesson and is putting the advice into practice, but now other aspiring super stars don't have to make a dumb mistake like that.

You see, you'd have an argument if Hadrien was still going around, playing loud when told to turn down, no listening to band leaders, thinking he's the star attraction. But if he were doing that, he wouldn't be working, no matter how good he is. You don't seem to realize that, perhaps that's why you don't work as in playing with other people.

Oh and that video, is that actually a gig? Why are we playing six degrees of separation?

 

[smeet]

I don't know what John McLaughlin or his audience actually heard or felt when Hadrien played with him. On the volume issue, I will say that Hadrien has an exceptionally articulate sound. In every youtube video I can always hear every note he plays, which is not true of most bassists. Maybe the issue is one of his sound "cutting through" too much? Maybe he really is too loud, or it's a combination, I don't know.

I'll also include myself in the group that wishes they had Hadrien's technique, which is possibly the best I've ever heard out of anyone.

 

[Brad Johnson]

You know, I've heard this exact line but with Flea instead of Hadrien . Just trying to say that who we look up to is very personal thing and changes from individual to individual. That said, I'm definitely part of that 95%.

It's called projecting, Kwesi.

 

[Brad Johnson]

The advice wasn't for someone like Mstott. That train has sailed. It also wasn't for Hadrien, John McL. already gave him that advice loud and clear.


Maybe if he'd sent it to him in a youtube clip...

 

[mstott25]

You don't seem to realize that, perhaps that's why you don't work as in playing with other people.

Lol, you clown.
Are you trying to get in a pissing match now? Keep analyzing my gig situation bud, just be sure to relax and not take any of this too seriously. It's just the internet, right?

At any rate, keep digging, I'm sure you'll find your confidence somewhere.

Oh and that video, is that actually a gig? Why are we playing six degrees of separation?

Classy, Phil. Poor Hadrien just can't do anything to please you, can he?

 

[henry2513]

LOL classic thread. You silly guys, defending HF's honor like a bunch of chivalrous knights. He's a grown man he can do that himself if he feels he needs to. On the otherside of the coin, I doubt he worries too much about what a bunch of people who he doesn't know from Jack think and say. Go practice instead why don't ya?

 

[mstott25]

LOL classic thread. You silly guys, defending HF's honor like a bunch of chivalrous knights. He's a grown man he can do that himself if he feels he needs to. On the otherside of the coin, I doubt he worries too much about what a bunch of people who he doesn't know from Jack think and say. Go practice instead why don't ya?

Thanks for reminding me...

Forgot to post this!

http://youtu.be/M-3_LrQHDWM

 

[bill_banwell]

Holy crapperoni.. What have I started?!

 

[Calebmundy]

Reading this thread is like watching life on MARS. Crazy. Since I don't follow that upper level instrumental world too closely, and it's so far removed from what I am involved with.

Great to find out more about you Scotch. Very cool doing the Sixpence thing, I'm just checking out the new record, would love to buy you a beer... uh, or a scotch sometime and chat when you're in town.

 

[bottomzone]

Listen, I don't care how talented or "visionary" you are...you either want the gig or you don't want the gig. If you want the gig and your vision isn't the same as the person writing the checks, then you either do their vision or take the chance of getting canned, and you seriously need to think about forming your own band. And I really don't care how legendary you THINK someone is...John McLaughlin is a bona fide legend and has been for 40 years now, and if he says to turn down, you turn down. Or you get fired. And all the righteous indignation in the world will never change that, and arguing about it and thinking Hadrien was in the right to turn up when he was told to turn down is absolutely ridiculous. Witness the end result. Hadrien has moved on and good for him, but he was still in the wrong.

I concur!!!

A Groove is a Terrible Thing to Waste!