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What happened to Hadrien Feraud?!

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Micah Stott you're confused, partly because posts were deleted, and you don't understand how things developed, but you should probably acknowledge you're confusion otherwise people will think your willfully ignorant, have an agenda or are just bat poop crazy.

Keep those videos coming. :D
 
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mstott25 said:
Now I know gigs with Jean Luc-Ponty are a dime a dozen and the fact that Hadrien was on that gig two weeks ago and Jauqo was on that gig, um never, shouldn't say much to anybody on Talkbass. But in Reality, of which you seem to fancy yourself grounded therein, it seems pretty obvious who should be taking advice from who around here.
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You said this to say what? Is this to have some assertion that Hadrien is to be revered? Dude....he is just a bass player. Don't get it disjointed. He has added nothing more to the musical landscape than the average player. What has he done that was so ground breaking? Can he play? He's not bad. He's got a good gig. Cool. Does that make him a phenom? No. Did he bring something to the table that has not been done, cannot be done? Is there a personality to his playing that is distinctly his? In my opinion, no and HELL NO!

It's obvious that the attitude of "LOOK AT ME NOW, I AM THE TALK OF THE TOWN!" is what got his a** fired. Don't feed the egos...may cause another of your favorites to loose their job.
 
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Billy Low said:
It's obvious that the attitude of "LOOK AT ME NOW, I AM THE TALK OF THE TOWN!" is what got his a** fired. Don't feed the egos...may cause another of your favorites to loose their job.
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Yep that could very well happen :)


Whats pathetic is some kats in this thread are mad at me.

Again I did not fire Hadrien Feraud and I never had anything at all negative to say about him.



Some one wants to have Hadrien's baby :)
 
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Billy Low said:
Can he play? He's not bad. He's got a good gig. Cool. Does that make him a phenom? No. Did he bring something to the table that has not been done, cannot be done? Is there a personality to his playing that is distinctly his? In my opinion, no and HELL NO!
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This is where I disagree. What makes a phenom in your book? The guy has MASSIVE chops and on the songs he's played on he shows a level of musicality and a sense of melody that I don't see everywhere. Yes, here and there (more so when he was younger), he gets carried away but I think he actually brings a lot to the table in terms or displaying how a bassist can be very active and still supportive in a band context.

What REALLY made my eyes widen was his album. Some of the pieces on that album are just amazing to me. Those songs that he crafted were and still are truly beautiful. It was the first time I heard something like that come from a bass player.

To me, he's taken a lot of what folks have done before and applied it in ways that most folks hadn't or hadn't often. He may not be a legend but I don't think you give him enough credit for his music and his ability. Though, of course, that's a matter of opinion.
 
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Kwesi said:
This is where I disagree. What makes a phenom in your book? The guy has MASSIVE chops and on the songs he's played on he shows a level of musicality and a sense of melody that I don't see everywhere. Yes, here and there (more so when he was younger), he gets carried away but I think he actually brings a lot to the table in terms or displaying how a bassist can be very active and still supportive in a band context.
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What are your thoughts on Gary Husbands comments?
 
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Kwesi said:
What makes a phenom in your book? The guy has MASSIVE chops and on the songs he's played on he shows a level of musicality and a sense of melody that I don't see everywhere. Yes, here and there (more so when he was younger), he gets carried away but I think he actually brings a lot to the table in terms or displaying how a bassist can be very active and still supportive in a band context.


To me, he's taken a lot of what folks have done before and applied it in ways that most folks hadn't or hadn't often. He may not be a legend but I don't think you give him enough credit for his music and his ability. Though, of course, that's a matter of opinion.
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He plays nicely, and no, you don't see what he does everywhere because it's not needed. Like you have said, many folks have done what he has done, and I really have yet to see him better those that I have seen before him. He was a fresh face on the scene with chops. Great. Happy for him. Not a game changer. Not a phenom. Just a good player, like many others.
 
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Phil Smith said:
What are your thoughts on Gary Husbands comments?
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I'm a big fan, but I try to keep a realistic perspective. I never fought the idea that Hadrien was let go vs. him leaving voluntarily, I just hadn't seen it corroborated until now. You said it well, if you're hired to do a job and you're not doing it, well, thems the breaks.

Based on what I have heard of Hadrien's work with John McLaughlin (in the studio on Industrial Zen and Floating Point), I'm guessing that Gary and John's comments pertain primarily to their live shows together. On the CDs Hadrien sounds on point and very much apart of the music and the group.
 
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Phil Smith said:
What are your thoughts on Gary Husbands comments?
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I found it interesting that in the thread you linked the first response to Husbands' comments was to flat out contradict what Husbands who was right there playing in the band was saying. Someone's personal taste and opinions formed at a distance don't outweigh the documented first hand evidence from people who are intimately involved. It's fine to have strong opinions but there's an odd disconnect going on here between hero worship and the obvious truth. Husbands' and McLaughlin's comments paint a pretty clear picture.
 
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Billy Low said:
He plays nicely, and no, you don't see what he does everywhere because it's not needed. Like you have said, many folks have done what he has done, and I really have yet to see him better those that I have seen before him. He was a fresh face on the scene with chops. Great. Happy for him. Not a game changer. Not a phenom. Just a good player, like many others.
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What Hadrien does is absolutely not needed everywhere and it's not heard everywhere. We'll just have to agree to disagree on the other points.

Also, I when I said this:

Kwesi said:
To me, he's taken a lot of what folks have done before and applied it in ways that most folks hadn't or hadn't often.
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I didn't mean to imply that what he does and his technical skill is at all common, because it's not by any means. I was just trying to illustrate that his house is built on the foundation of of masterful players that came before him.
 
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Phil Smith said:
I'm still waiting for you to address what John McLaughlin and Gary Husband had to say.
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Ok...

this is the last thing I say before I post a barrage of Hadrien Feraud videos.

Getting fired from a gig is like breaking up, or not getting along with a roommate, or in some rare sad cases, more like a divorce.

Who $#@@ing cares?!?

Who cares what JML said? Who cares what Gary Husband said? Who cares what Hadrien Feraud said? We all have the same amount of access to what went on there as we do to Tom Cruise's divorce with Katie Holmes.

Does it make Hadrien any less of a phenom? Did it hurt him from getting gigs? Was the point of this thread to find out what happened with JML and Hadrien? No.

Now if anyone has the right to come on here and explain themselves, it's Hadrien Feraud. Why you or anybody else with an internet connection feels like you have the inside scoop is beyond me.

Sometimes people get their feelings hurt, act defensively, sometimes people say things and later wish they could take them back. Maybe what JML told Hadrien was something completely different than what JML told somebody else. Maybe Gary didn't like Hadrien's playing and was relieved to see him lose the gig. Maybe Hadrien was oblivious to all of this, maybe Hadrien had a drinking problem (like some claimed) or maybe he played too loud (like others claimed, including JML) or maybe he really had a broken finger (like Hadrien claims).

So everyone wants to cite 3rd party interviews and call Hadrien a liar and not give him the benefit of the doubt and I'm the ******* for waving the BS flag?

IMO Hadrien could have said whatever he wanted about the incident because he was there. If the rest of you are so doggedly committed to whatever version of the story you encountered in your meanderings then there's nothing me, Hadrien, or Jesus could say to change your minds.

But Hadrien is freaking incredible!

Check this out Phil!
http://youtu.be/30yYZ3PjIdM
 
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Kwesi said:
I never fought the idea that Hadrien was let go vs. him leaving voluntarily, I just hadn't seen it corroborated until now.
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Why come it never crossed your mind that he would be let go?


Kwesi said:
You said it well, if you're hired to do a job and you're not doing it, well, thems the breaks.
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Those are the breaks yes and he's not the first or the last talented musician to get kicked off of a gig.

Kwesi, Kat's need to stop getting so caught up in turning musicians into gods, doing so really can blind the worshipers.
 
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mstott25 said:
If the rest of you are so doggedly committed to whatever version of the story you encountered in your meanderings then there's nothing me, Hadrien, or Jesus could say to change your minds.
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Like the version of the story coming directly from Husbands and McLaughlin?

But Hadrien is freaking incredible!

Check this out Phil!
http://youtu.be/30yYZ3PjIdM
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I wasn't very familiar with Feraud but through this thread I've listened to him and almost every video keeps reminding me Dizzy Gillespie saying to a young Steve Bailey something along the lines of, "You and I could both use a bass player."
 
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