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What would you do? (Ethical question)

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#222
edbass said:
I was thinking the same thing, but without the "Ha ha". ;)
In my experience "personal integrity" (or lack of) generally isn't limited to a specific event; it's usually a character trait that carries over into any type interpersonal relationship, not just fiscal transactions.

While it's not always possible, I try to avoid these types of people; particularly when said interaction requires trust, either personal or fiscal.
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Well said.

Your word is either good, or it's not. Honor is not conditional.
 
#223
JLS said:
I'm not going to read through all the pages of this thread, so I hope I'm not repeating something.

To the OP: your wallet, with cash & credit cards, is picked up on the street.

Well?
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Well the OP already said he told MF to bill him for the second PF500, so he's doing the right thing. No need to bust on him.
 
#224
Originally Posted by DiabolusInMusic View Post
Keep it, come on. If it was a mom and pop's chain different story, but giant corporate chain, keep it.
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This is karma coming at you, in the form of a free amp!!!
Being honest is relative? I know one tb'er with which I'll never do a classified deal.
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Ditto this.

I wonder where Diabolus draws the line between M&P an GCC? Or if that shifts in the breeze, for the convenience of his questionable morals.
 
#226
lomo said:
To those who would keep it: I suggest you submit the card that allows you to ever complain when someone rips you off or lies to you. And forget about telling your kids or friends that they shouldn't lie, cheat or steal (even when they deal with you). Honesty isn't relative.
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Amen brother. Nice role models you all are who think it's fine to rip someone off just because you may have a legal loophole through which you can jump. Don't complain to the rest of us when the loophole closes and you b--- hole opens up in the joint. Even if that never happens, we all have to stand in front of our Maker some day, and I'll have enough explaining to do for all the stupid $#!+ I did on earth without adding utter unethical and dishonest behavior to the list...
 
#227
GregC said:
Right and wrong = fairy tale? I don't think so.

Refusing to deal with someone isn't the same thing as singling them out. And when that "moral opinion" is that it's perfectly OK to keep things that don't belong to you, well, I'd be stupid to take the risk of doing business with that person short of using an airtight contract.
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They think the "send it backers" are afraid Santa won't bring them presents if they are naughty. This intellectual viewpoint of an early, early stage of civilization and childhood is missing the later wise outlook that what's good for all is mostly good for mostly all.
 
#230
i would wait for mf to contact me first. they caused it to happen, so they should be the ones to initiate the return process. if i didn't get a call from them within a month or so, id give it to one of my less fortunate bass player friends. they would gladly accept a new amp.
 
#231
mrsal said:
i would wait for mf to contact me first. they caused it to happen, so they should be the ones to initiate the return process. if i didn't get a call from them within a month or so, id give it to one of my less fortunate bass player friends. they would gladly accept a new amp.
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So when they do, your response is, "was just waiting for you to contact me because I didn't realize you sent it by accident or that I didn't realize I didn't order two"?

Were you to hypothetically be a judge, how would that sound coming from the defendant in front of you?

Come on! Preschoolers quickly outgrow this type of reasoning.
 
#234
mrsal said:
i would wait for mf to contact me first. they caused it to happen, so they should be the ones to initiate the return process. if i didn't get a call from them within a month or so, id give it to one of my less fortunate bass player friends. they would gladly accept a new amp.
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So if you dropped your wallet in Starbucks and didn't realize it, you wouldn't want someone who found it to not call you?

Don't play the "Huge Corporation vs. One Individual" argument either. Right in wrong is pretty clear cut.

I once got a $50 pair of Senheiser Headphones in an order and when I called to return them, they told me to keep them because it wasn't worth the shipping cost/hassle. I still have them.
 
#235
I SO wish this is an accurate representation of the world population ...

How do you deal with pricing mistake in a music store?
Say an MIA P is marked with the price of an MIM huh?

How many will take advantage of another's mistake?
 
#236
DukeLeJeune said:
If one has already made the decision to be honest in his dealings, he doesn't have to re-make that decision every time a question of ethics arises.
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I see your point... yet I disagree. It is a decision one must make over and over, every time.

It is the people who forget that and say to themselves "I am an honest guy, so perhaps just this one time" who inevitably slip. One must indeed make the decision every single time.
 
#238
Schpector said:
The ethical part of me says "this was a mistake. I shouldn't rip off a company that has never done me wrong. I should call them, inform them of the error, and return it".

The second half of me says "this is not my problem. The shipping/receiving department did not do their job. Someone at Musiciansfriend screwed up, and it is not the customer's responsibility to right their wrong."

Thus, a question for all of you. What would you do? Would you return it, or would you keep it?
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This is some kind of big, puzzling ethical dilemma? Seriously? You cannot actually figure this one out on your own? :eyebrow:

*sigh*

I'm not even gonna bother reading any of the other posts. The ethically-correct choice is #1: You contact Musicians Friend, inform them of their error, and return the extra amp to them. Obviously. :eyebrow:

Something tells me that if you were more practiced in actually making ethical decisions, this one would have come a lot more easily to you. Just a hunch... :hmm:

It's The Law of Karma: What goes around, comes around.

Duh! :rolleyes:

MM
 
#239
MysticMichael said:
This is some kind of big, puzzling ethical dilemma? Seriously? You cannot actually figure this one out on your own? :eyebrow:

*sigh*

I'm not even gonna bother reading any of the other posts. The ethically-correct choice is #1: You contact Musicians Friend, inform them of their error, and return the extra amp to them. Obviously. :eyebrow:

Something tells me that if you were more practiced in actually making ethical decisions, this one would have come a lot more easily to you. Just a hunch... :hmm:

It's The Law of Karma: What goes around, comes around.

Duh! :rolleyes:

MM
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It might have been worth reading some of the posts; the OP chose to contact MF and buy the amp. Sounds like he was just curious as to how depraved the rest of TB is/was! :D
 
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