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What's so special about Larry Graham?

I'm not the biggest funk/r&b fan out there, but I can see why people like Rick James, Bootsy Collins, Bernard Edwards and the likes.

I can even see why people like James Jamerson, although I think he's seriously overrated.

But I don't understand why Larry Graham is so highly regarded here on TalkBass and in the media. I listened to Sly and The Family Stone and Graham Central Station top songs on Spotify and watched a few videos on YouTube. Sure, he has that sort of thumping technique and a few fills on "Thank You," but is that it? I guess he did come before Rick James et al., making him a pioneer?

I'm being serious here. I'm not trolling. What am I missing?

This is almost verbatim of the “what’s so special about Entwhistle” thread and has to be tongue in cheek.

If serious: random musicians on the internet not understanding what’s special about famous professionals of their chosen hobby is pretty funny.

Do people who enjoy playing basketball also not understand what was special about Larry Bird and refer to Magic Johnson as “overrated”?
 
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I don't remember seeing anyone so joyous when playing bass!!!


This video was my introduction to Larry Graham, although I had heard music he was involved with.. still blows me away that the intro is him telling a story while playing that walking bass line, while mixing in songs he's worked on in the first 12 minutes of the video. Sexy white bass, snazzy white suit. Innovator of slap bass.. full of energy. How could anyone not like what this man brought to the music scene?
 
I saw him live once. At first I thought, yeah, no big deal. Sure he invented it and all, but some many have taken it way farther.

I was dead wrong.

He was jamming with Marcus Miller, but Larry's showmanship, feel, pure power was a serious force to be reckoned with. I thought slap bass had gotten much farther, but really, it never really did. It started with Larry and ended with Larry to me. The records are great, even if a bit dated, but even after seeing guys like Wooten and the likes many times, I wasn't prepared for Larry brought that day.

It won't convince you, but it's a memory forever burned to me.
 
I'm not the biggest funk/r&b fan out there, but I can see why people like Rick James, Bootsy Collins, Bernard Edwards and the likes.

I can even see why people like James Jamerson, although I think he's seriously overrated.

But I don't understand why Larry Graham is so highly regarded here on TalkBass and in the media. I listened to Sly and The Family Stone and Graham Central Station top songs on Spotify and watched a few videos on YouTube. Sure, he has that sort of thumping technique and a few fills on "Thank You," but is that it? I guess he did come before Rick James et al., making him a pioneer?

I'm being serious here. I'm not trolling. What am I missing?
Cause he was the first guy to Slappa Da Bass Mon! If it weren't for him, Davie504 wouldn't be able to pay his rent.
 
I'm not the biggest funk/r&b fan out there, but I can see why people like Rick James, Bootsy Collins, Bernard Edwards and the likes.

I can even see why people like James Jamerson, although I think he's seriously overrated.

But I don't understand why Larry Graham is so highly regarded here on TalkBass and in the media. I listened to Sly and The Family Stone and Graham Central Station top songs on Spotify and watched a few videos on YouTube. Sure, he has that sort of thumping technique and a few fills on "Thank You," but is that it? I guess he did come before Rick James et al., making him a pioneer?

I'm being serious here. I'm not trolling. What am I missing?

I give my response as constructively as I can because you did ask this honestly.

Just my one pearl of bass wisdom:
You have to be a bit interested in the history of the bass guitar.

Larry Graham is a forerunner. Yeah, sure their are guys who later on could slap faster than him, but he was the man back than. I bet if you could get ahold Bootsy and pose this question he might give you some good insight on Larry Graham. Can’t do for Rick or Bernard (RIP). C’mon, Thank You is the coolest funk bass tune. Those “few fills” are what made him the legend he his. Tasty and not overstated.


As for why you can’t understand why James Jameson is so important. Dude, the Motown sound would not be there without him. Those grooves! When 60s recording was still 4-track, they used to dedicate 1 track to him exclusively. Not bad for being overrated.

Not bagging on you. You did say it yourself by stating that you’re not the biggest funk/r&b fan. Obviously, not your bag. I guess you have to “feel it” before you can appreciate it. I will give a nod for putting your question out there.
 
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Larry Graham was one of the first if not the first to popularize the Pop/Slap method. And more out of necessity than anything else. His particular style was a big contribution to the funk sound of Sly and the Family Stone. Today, there are many who can play it better than he but he was doing it in the 60's. How many players can claim that title? He was pretty much it at the time.

Not only was it just his new style of playing back then. He was also a leader in getting the best effect from pedals through a bass guitar. Not many bass players used pedals on the bass back in the 60's-70's, at least not as effectively as LG did. At that time it mostly distortion through an overdriven amp such as Grand Funk Railroad who by the way did an excellent job with bass over distortion tube used in Rock music. But it was Graham who had a rather complete pedal board for 60's-70's funk music.

It's really about understanding music history and the challenges they faced during their own time than it is about how they compare to today's players. It's not fair to compare a historic player to someone playing in today's music world.

To truly understand why some of these bass players who are regarded as legendary you first need to read their biography or life story and what they had to go through to become legendary. In most cases, they each developed or created a new style of playing that influenced many other players later on. In Larry Graham's case, he basically developed a pop and slap style of playing because the band he played in with his mother for whatever reason lost their drummer. To make up for it he played the bass with a more percussive sound to compensate for not having a drummer. This was necessary because the family needed the gigs to make money to survive. Larry is considered to be the father of the Pop and Slap style of playing. Many other bass players were influenced by his style of playing.

Larry is just one example and there are many. But to get a true understanding of their importance in the history of the electric bass guitar you must compare them with their bass playing contemporaries who were around during their particular era and not to who is hot today. There are many more talented bass players today than there were back in the day. The Electric bass is still a relatively new instrument even though it's been around since the 50's . There are many outstanding players today but they were not so common in the 70's, 60's and especially the 50's.

Every musician learned and was influenced by someone who came before them. The most common question asked during an interview of a talented musician is "What musician inspired you to play or influenced your style". They all have someone they looked up to and it is those they mention that deserve respect and a note in music history. Many blues artist including Keith Richards, Paul McArtney, Eric Clapton, Jeff Beck and Jimmy Page for example may go back as far as mentioning Robert Johnson (1920's-30's ?) when it comes to their blues influence. But more commonly, it's artists like Buddy Guy, BB King, Albert King, Elvis, Buddy Holly, Les Paul, Jimmy Hendrix, Little Richard, Jerry Lee Lewis, etc that they listened to growing up and trying to emulate.

Same sort of thing with modern bass players, James Jamerson, Jaco, Paul McArtney, Larry Graham, Bootsy Collins (James Brown), John Entwistle, Geddy Lee, on and on while some more recent, some older etc. We all have our influences, heroes and mentors.

It's about their point in time and their contemporaries rather than who they compare to in today's music. Today's musicians have a huge unfair advantage over those who simply gave it their heart and sole with almost nothing but their fingers, instrument and vocals which to make their music.

OI don't know if Larry Graham (or at least Sly and the Family Stone) is in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame but he and they are deserving.
 
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Not sure what to tell you.
He came up with an entirely new way to play the instrument, invented a frontman role to go with it, has the classiest looks, sings at Motown level while playing mean lines, used all kinds of effects before anyone did, wrote lines to a dozen major hits.
Any video of his clearly shows he's a master. One who thinks Jamerson is overrated could easily miss it though.
This said it all. Jamerson overrated and not understanding Graham. Who does impress you?
 
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I'm not the biggest funk/r&b fan out there, but I can see why people like Rick James, Bootsy Collins, Bernard Edwards and the likes.

I can even see why people like James Jamerson, although I think he's seriously overrated.

But I don't understand why Larry Graham is so highly regarded here on TalkBass and in the media. I listened to Sly and The Family Stone and Graham Central Station top songs on Spotify and watched a few videos on YouTube. Sure, he has that sort of thumping technique and a few fills on "Thank You," but is that it? I guess he did come before Rick James et al., making him a pioneer?

I'm being serious here. I'm not trolling. What am I missing?

James Jamerson overrated o_O:rollno:

Not intended as a personal attack but the original poster is underrated when it comes to bass player music history. Read up.
 
Not intended as a personal attack but the original poster is underrated when it comes to bass player music history. Read up.
I will humbly state that while I’m a good musician I have to work very hard to play effectively and solidly. Talent only takes you so far; it’s the work that gains you distinction and honor.

I endeavor not to denigrate other bassists because they are part of a small fraternity/sorority and we always have each other’s backs, despite the fact that we have to compete for gigs and smiles from pretty girls in the audience.
 
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