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Whats the deal with Eden?

I've been seeing alot of snarky comments regarding the eden sound and eden products, just wondering where all that's stemming from.

having never played an eden (they aren't common round here) I blindly assign them to the mesa/aggie level in terms of boutique sound, but that's just an assumption.
 
I'm not sure, but I think they were once considered excellent, with excellent customer service, and then they switched ownership or something and now aren't as good qualitywise, and customer service has down the toilet... Others would know more than I do...
 
The amps are just as good as they used to be, but the service is sporadic, ranging from awful to excellent depending on the day it seems. I used Eden gear exclusively for a long time until I found PJB.

Eden amps DO sound pretty darn great though, and the new powered NAV (AKA WTX1000N) looks like serious competition for the Shuttlemax 12 from genz.
 
The XST is the most percussive cab that I have heard yet. I am an Eden convert now. Never tried their cutomer (dis)service; it seems that most good products blow at that level.

I guess they can't all be Genz Benz....
 
I just bought a brand new D410xlt cab and Nemesis RS 700 head. The head sounds and works great. The cab however came with the crossover wired backwards. The tweeter was getting the power the ten's should have been getting so it was blown as soon as I plugged in. The tweeter attenuator was broken as well. I called CS and got a new one along with what was supposed to be the proper wiring diagram (it wasn't). After that me and my electronically inclined band mate went through and checked all the wiring. It turns out the tens were connected all sorts of wrong with grounds from one side hooked up to the positives on the other. Not only that but it shipped a wire short of what it needed. We had to rewire it completely and even add in a wire of our own.

Now my rig sounds absolutely amazing and they are sending a new tweeter for free but I will never understand how a thousand dollar "boutique" cab left the factory wired so ridiculously wrong. The guys working at CS were very understanding even though they didn't realize that the wiring diagram they sent was still wrong until I told them so.

Overall Eden gear makes for great sound but quality inspection practices at their factory seem to be a joke. If Eden gear is what you want don't let this and other stories scare you away. It is a great sound as long as you or someone you trust with electronic knowledge takes the time to check out the quality of the wiring and stuff before you plug in. I wish I had.
 
My experience is limited to the WT-600 head and D118XL cab, both excellent products. The WT-600 seemed to me to be very well built, almost undestructable (layman's opinion there). Never had any issues with it.

Remember that on any internet forum, and in real life for that matter, some things are flavour of the month, some aren't.

That said, with all the current offerings from Markbass, Genz Benz etc. Eden probably really is passé. I don't really get what they are going for either; micro-amp one day, tube amp the next, all while keeping the WT line, "light weight" cabs (which AFAIK were pretty much standard cabs with neo drivers)....the vision seems somewhat unclear at the moment IMO.
 
I've been an Eden user for several years now. I have a WT-550 that is absolutely rock solid, and has never had single problem. Great sound, cuts through the mix like nobody's business, and it amplifies exactly what I do with my fingers. This head is typically my rehearsal and smaller gig amp.

I also have two 210XST cabs, and a 210XLT cab. The XST's are one of the best cabs I've played through, and I've tried a whole lot of them! My Aguilar head with 2 XST's is a dream to play through. Lots of good booty, but still great punch. The XLT has a bit more mid to it. I still haven't played a gig with all three cabs... that might be scary!

As far as Eden's customer service goes, I've never had anything but great help from them. From my personal experience, when the new 800C line came out, there were some production problems. I had an amp die, and they replaced it within two weeks, and I'm in Canada! I upgraded to a 1205 and used it for a while, until I played a DB-750 and fell in love with it. I managed to blow a pair of speakers, through my own stupidity, and Eden service gave me the personal number for the Canadian rep, who immediately got me in contact with a company that could do the recone for me. Definitely a top notch response.

I know several people who run sound companies in my area, and in Toronto and Ottawa. They all absolutely depend on the old 800B's for backline. They're built like tanks, just will not die, and are freakin' loud! I take their word for those, since I've never owned one. I have played through them on stage twice, though, and they sound great, especially with a 410XLT cabinet.

I don't mean to sound like I'm Mr. Eden in person, but they are good amps. As with all amps, it's a matter of what you like, and what sound you're going for. I've had a friend who is a die hard SVT user play through my Eden rig, and he didn't care for it. It was a bit too precise for his taste and playing style.

I hope this helps!
 
Sorry, I just don't like the Eden tone at all. I do like Nemesis, but Eden I have zero use for. What can I tell you?

I'm in the same boat regarding their amps. I like the cabs; don't own any but I like them. The Nemesis 2X10 combo is pretty sweet, I almost bought one but the insulation inside was loose and rattling on low notes. The store selling it new offered to fix it if I bought it. I didn't like the implication and passed.

** The implication I gathered was if I didn't buy it they were going to leave it as is, so if someone else didn't turn it up or try a 5 string bass they might not notice. Same store wanted to give me $200 credit trade in on a bass I bought at the same store less than a year before for $1400. One issue can be overlooked, but 2 by 2 different employees has kept me from setting foot in there again. Anyhoo back to the discussion at hand...
 
i have owned a wtx 260 for 2 years now.....never failed me yet....the sound i get is better than anything i have used in 30 years of playing...i use mine with a crown amp pushing a 212 cab and the wtx 260 pushing a 112 cab...gives 260 watts to the 112 and 250 watts to each of the 12's in the 212 cab.....customer service has NEVER let me down.....eden is not the antichrist that TB genz benz lovers want to make it out to be
 
Almost the same things happened with me and eden.. hadaches galore.

I had 4 repairs on a brand new in box amp. Had it home about 3 days out of 4 months i owned it.. and as you said the blowin smoke stories from customer service..... So i depoarted ways.. I have been usiing my Genz Benz rigs for almost 3 years without any hickups.. it has been very smooth with the GB gear.. and i can dal in a sort of Eden tone on my Shuttlemaz Heads if i wanted to.. and then some... ..

Three repairs for me, then I was out. Sounded nice when it worked, but too unreliable and their customer service blew too much smoke my way.