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Whats up with kids today?

#184
etoncrow said:
I cannot speak to the attitudes within your society, I know that the US is falling back into becoming a welfare state where personal responsibility has no meaning. Soccer kids get trophies not for winning but for just showing up, welfare people get free cell phones and corporal punishment is something found on black and white TV....
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#191
etoncrow said:
Would you please connect the dots between the original premise of the argument and what you are presenting here?
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The "playing the game is its own reward" (or "just showing up" as you put it) mentality is more healthy than the traditional competitive sports mentality. I'm not saying that I always agree, but I think that comparison was pretty clear from his post :p

I don't like dealing with people who feel like they've accomplished something when they haven't, but I really don't like dealing with people with a jock mentality whether they hold it in regards to sports or anything else. Most of the things you can frame as a competition you can also probably frame in a more productive way.
 
#194
i_got_a_mohawk said:
"Holier-than-though", "polite gentle approach".

If that's what you guys think of people who think it isn't ok to give children a "good beating" or pull a gun on smart ass kids. I think you need to reevaluate your moral standings.

So you guys are telling me that you'd be perfectly fine if you found out that your child had been a smart ass and that the victim of their asshattery beat them in a car park or pulled a gun, that'd be just fine and dandy?
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I think that in a nutshell what we see in today's society is the quick answer to the problem is to "get a gun". We teach our children that conflict is bad, physical violence is bad and no one is ever right there are only "different viewpoints". Top that off with parents that sue the school and the parents if little Johnny gets his azz beat the schools pigeon hole kids and tie their hands and teach them to tell a teacher about threats or bullying. But fact is teachers either don't care and if they did they are limited by policies of the school and the attitudes of the offenders parents.

A little old school but in my day we had fights and brawls. A fight was when two people disagreed punches were thrown, years later we can sit down and have a beer together and laugh about it. A brawl happened when the "rules" were not followed. If someone produced a bat, tie iron or knife then you better be prepared to fight to the death no rules no mercy. People understood this and usually stuck to fighting as it was well understood that brawling lent itself to severe pain and a trip to the hospital.

Personally I taught my sons to be gentlemen and my daughter to be a lady. Respect is earned but kindness is free. My sons were taught to stand for what's right, and how to throw a punch and take one.
 
#195
dullsilver_mike said:
The "playing the game is its own reward" (or "just showing up" as you put it) mentality is more healthy than the traditional competitive sports mentality. I'm not saying that I always agree, but I think that comparison was pretty clear from his post :p
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Thank you.

If giving trophies to all participants in a girls soccer league is gutting US competitiveness, it didn't seem to work on their dads very well.
 
#200
Mr L said:
If you get a trophy just for showing up, where is the motivation to do your best and win? If you're given handouts from day one just for showing up, what's to say that mentality won't continue as they grow?
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If it's soccer with 6 year old girls, the motivation should be intrinsic--that they enjoy it. If it's the womens' teams in the Olympics, the trophy is an appropriate motivator. But if winning is so important to the dads that they get into a brawl over the game, that is far more pathological than anything resulting from giving a 6-year old a medal for trying hard.

That being said, I'm fine with recognizing excellence, although sometimes that doesn't always work, either (see: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame)
 

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