When tattoos make you look ridiculous

[i_got_a_mohawk]

I'm a boss. I hire people. I supervise people. I judge people on what they do -but if I have 2 candidates for a job come in and one is dressed business like and the other is in wrinkled clothes, I'm not going to be impressed with the second one. Doubt I'd hire him. If I have a candidate who has a tattoo snaking up his neck and can be seen outside his collar, or body piercings that can be seen, or full sleeve tattoos that can easily be seen through dress shirt, I may not hire him or her compared to someone who doesn't- because if I do, they are out there representing me. And unless you're working in a custom bike shop, it's not the image I want to project.

So it's reality. Yes, appearance DOES count. And yes, people DO make judgments based on how you look all the time. Deal with it.

Wow, Im sure you have always picked the most skilled person for the job

However, it is sad but true, and because of bosses like you im waiting til im professionally employed before getting anything on the forearms etc.

Tho on saying that, scientists dont usually care as long as you are the best person there for the job.

 

[i_got_a_mohawk]

On a side note, my Grandfather has some old WWII sailor tats on his arms completely visable and he went on to become a ship captain after his duties making over 100k a year. Hardly the wages of a "low-life".

Good example, I always forget that my grandad had tattoos, he was actually taught how to do them with bamboo shafts and he ended up working fairly high up in the midlothian council

 

[dj150888]

Tho on saying that, scientists dont usually care as long as you are the best person there for the job.

I'm planning on going into work in Chemistry myself and I've been advised by a lot of people in the field that public skin tattoos are a big no no for interviews for science related jobs, though several of these guys are tattooed in "coverable" areas.

As well as that, a guy I know working for a huge chemical company (he has a PhD in Chemistry) Is extensively tattooed everywhere except his face and neck. He's earning a 6 figure sum and they have no problem with his tattoos. He got lucky, we might not.

I still say wait until you're in long-term employment and you know your boss has no problem with it until you get any public skin tattooed.

 

[i_got_a_mohawk]

Oh I know Im waiting, dont know if I will be into the sciences for sure yet, tho it is where I want to be (2:1 BSc Hons - Biochemistry) and a 6 figure sum? Damn! He really did luck out!

£30 K is a fairly good salary for someone with a PhD in chemistry. Tho, I dare say im looking more from the biochemistry point of view, and people who Ive talked to about it range from proffs in the WT labs to a family friend who recently retired from being high up at Unilever.

Im guessing your friend has something to do with oil?

How far are you in your studies and how are you finding it ?

 

[QORC]

I don't think anyone said someone with a tattoo can't get a job. Depends on what job, in what industry. I know that someone with a lot of visible tats would never rise to the position in management that I'm in - not in my industry anyway.

If you're working in a shop in the mall, no problem. If you want to be a bartender, no problem. Starbuck's ? Probably help you get a job. I'm just saying if you have ambitions to move far into the professional world, having visible tattoos can hold you back. I'm saying it as an employer. So I do have a valid point of view, even if you don't agree with it.

Look. I'm a musician. I have my wild side. But I don't have to "wear it" on my skin for all the world to make judgments on me. That's the difference. I can easily move between both worlds. Others cannot. I would never do anything to my appearance that I could not easily undo.

 

[QORC]

Just because it has happened in the past doesn't make it right. Aren't we supposed to evolve?

Yes, I suppose in some perfect world, your personal grooming, the clothes you wear and how you wear your hair will have no bearing on how people react to you.

When you find this world, let the rest of us know, ok?

So either you can live in the real world, or you live in Fantasyland.

your choice.

 

[Rob Lewis]

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[QORC]

Wow, Im sure you have always picked the most skilled person for the job

I do pick the best person. I have no choice not to. I cannot afford to not have the office be successful. So stop rolling your eyes. My guess is that you aren't in a high position and have no idea what I'm talking about....so I'll say it simpler so you can understand.

I'm saying ALL OTHER FACTORS BEING EQUAL for two candidates, I would be inclined to not go with someone who had visible tattoos or unusual piercings, weird hair, bad body odor, inappropriate clothing, spoke poor grammar, etc...

Because in the real world, appearance DOES count. A good professional appearance carries credibility. A non-professional appearance does not. These people are out there representing me. So the guy/girl who doesn't have visible tattoos, who dresses and grooms professionally, carries themselves well and speaks good grammar will have a leg up on someone who does not. Every time.

that's reality.

Get it?

 

[dj150888]

Oh I know Im waiting, dont know if I will be into the sciences for sure yet, tho it is where I want to be (2:1 BSc Hons - Biochemistry) and a 6 figure sum? Damn! He really did luck out!

£30 K is a fairly good salary for someone with a PhD in chemistry. Tho, I dare say im looking more from the biochemistry point of view, and people who Ive talked to about it range from proffs in the WT labs to a family friend who recently retired from being high up at Unilever.

Im guessing your friend has something to do with oil?

How far are you in your studies and how are you finding it ?

£30k wouldn't be very good for a PhD in Chemistry. Most of the people I know with degrees in Chemistry and a few years experience are earning that. Most of the guys I know with PhDs are working in Universities, lecturing and getting around £50-80k.

My friend works for a university as well, though he's not just a lecturer, I'm not sure of his exact job title. He has to travel an awful lot though.

I'm in the middle of my MSci in pure Chemistry, I really enjoy it and I'm doing well, so its all good. Aiming for a 1st.


Edit: After a bit of research, I've found the average wage for someone with a BSc in Chemistry is ~£30K actually, so the PhD would be a nice wee bit higher.

 

[i_got_a_mohawk]

Good money in the lecturships, but they are few and far between as I am sure you will find. Things really do seem peachy until you try and get a job, the competition in the sciences is pretty nuts.

Good luck on getting a first

Im working on my MSc right now, just the one year post grad, nanotech and microsystems. Basic thought is a Physics/Engineering post grad ontop of a Biology/Chemistry grad will be more multi skilled and hopefully more employable!

 

[bassistloaded21]

This post is getting rediculous, and is why America sucks now, and why theres so much division, because everyone wants to make people think the same thing that they think, which is wrong. Just do what you do, and dont worry about anyone/anything else. Going back and forth about dumb little points is rediculous. Respect people differences, and if you judge them for their differences, regardless of what they are, YOURE wrong, and basically an idiot.

 

[dj150888]

Good money in the lecturships, but they are few and far between as I am sure you will find. Things really do seem peachy until you try and get a job, the competition in the sciences is pretty nuts.

Good luck on getting a first

Im working on my MSc right now, just the one year post grad, nanotech and microsystems. Basic thought is a Physics/Engineering post grad ontop of a Biology/Chemistry grad will be more multi skilled and hopefully more employable!

Thanks mate If I keep going at the rate I am, I should be able to get my 1st, but I know its no walk in the park.

If you think the sciences are competitive, try getting into a career that doesn't make most people cringe. Applicants per job is very low in the likes of Chemistry/Physics (relatively speaking, of course. Compared with the likes of "Sports Science" and "Media Studies" graduates who are being churned out far faster than jobs can be created for them), the more "popular" sciences, like psychology and sociology skew the figures somewhat as they have more applicant per job (more graduates from those courses)

I see what you mean about being multi skilled to be more employable, but I'm more interested in being specifically skilled, to make me "just right" for my dream jobs. It might take longer to find the job I want, but I should be more qualified for it than if I wasn't trained specifically for that job.

 

[Ezbass]

When you find this world, let the rest of us know, ok?

So either you can live in the real world, or you live in Fantasyland.

your choice.

I choose to try and change the one I live in. Doesn't look like I'm doing too well though. Oh well, such is life.

There seems to be a lot of anger in this thread so I'm off to share some bass playing/owning experiences, Ezbass out.

 

[Joel S.]

Wow, this thread is still going.

My tattoo is not visible unless I show it off. It has meaning to me, it is UNIQUE to me in that NO one anywhere will have the same tat or something like it. Marking your body is not unique, what you mark it with is what makes it unique. Going out and buying some super boutique bass doesn't make you unique either, neither does building your own, how you use it is what makes you unique. It's funny to slam someone for perceived uniqueness on this forum anyway. I'll bet any money damn near everyone on this site picked up bass because they wanted to be like someone else.

And who cares if some gang banger has a tat. So? Only the truly ignorant will instantly draw that comparison. Tattooing has a noble history, they were a sign of rank and strength, and were used as rites of passage. Tattooing has been around for THOUSANDS of years.

If you don't like them, fine, I don't like twangy super bright tones on basses, but to each his/her own right?

Also, what QORC says is true, we live in a superficial world, it's unfortunate, but it's true. Like it or not it's not going to change over night, but perpetuating stereotypes certainly isn't helping. Putting myself in his position, I certainly would be more inclined to lean towards the candidate who was more well kept, all else being equal. There are many good reasons why, like employee interaction for one. But I would not instantly write someone off because of their outward appearance.

 

[Time Consumer]

This post is getting rediculous, and is why America sucks now, and why theres so much division, because everyone wants to make people think the same thing that they think, which is wrong. Just do what you do, and dont worry about anyone/anything else. Going back and forth about dumb little points is rediculous. Respect people differences, and if you judge them for their differences, regardless of what they are, YOURE wrong, and basically an idiot.

Thank you, this is why I gave up pages ago, this topic could go on forever and never get resolved so why argue, my only gripe is people lumping me in with thugs because i have a classy bass clef tat on my shoulder, where it can be covered up, even by a small tee, but I digress, im done with the argument. I will be reading though, as it is pretty funny.

 

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[i_got_a_mohawk]

Thanks mate If I keep going at the rate I am, I should be able to get my 1st, but I know its no walk in the park.

If you think the sciences are competitive, try getting into a career that doesn't make most people cringe. Applicants per job is very low in the likes of Chemistry/Physics (relatively speaking, of course. Compared with the likes of "Sports Science" and "Media Studies" graduates who are being churned out far faster than jobs can be created for them), the more "popular" sciences, like psychology and sociology skew the figures somewhat as they have more applicant per job (more graduates from those courses)

I see what you mean about being multi skilled to be more employable, but I'm more interested in being specifically skilled, to make me "just right" for my dream jobs. It might take longer to find the job I want, but I should be more qualified for it than if I wasn't trained specifically for that job.

Only problem with that is coming out too specialised. When I get into a research position that interests me then (once I have a PhD, if I get one), it should be easy enough to do post-doc courses for it. And having had applied for chemistry jobs, there are plenty more applicants than there are jobs, sadly most of my friends who graduated with me, biochem, microbiol, organic chem, zoology dont have jobs. Most of them havent even been offered, and no that isnt just saying something about my friends . Tho one who was, was offered a starting salary of £13K, and the job was in Edinburgh (expensive place to live), so not really worth it.

I know where your train of thought is coming from, I used to believe the same until I got into my final year, where you start realising the job market sucks in the sciences

 

[MatticusMania]

I'll bet any money damn near everyone on this site picked up bass because they wanted to be like someone else.

May I have my $1000 now? I picked up the bass because I didn't want to be like everyone else. Everyone wanted to play guitar, so I became the only bassist.

 

[dj150888]

Only problem with that is coming out too specialised. When I get into a research position that interests me then (once I have a PhD, if I get one), it should be easy enough to do post-doc courses for it. And having had applied for chemistry jobs, there are plenty more applicants than there are jobs, sadly most of my friends who graduated with me, biochem, microbiol, organic chem, zoology dont have jobs. Most of them havent even been offered, and no that isnt just saying something about my friends . Tho one who was, was offered a starting salary of £13K, and the job was in Edinburgh (expensive place to live), so not really worth it.

I know where your train of thought is coming from, I used to believe the same until I got into my final year, where you start realising the job market sucks in the sciences

I get you, but I'm fortunate enough to have a few "contacts" already established within the workforce in quite high up jobs who can put a word in for me. I know its not fair, but I'm gonna take every advantage I can to get me into my dream job

 

[GrooveWarrior]

OK, lets get back to when tattoos make you look ridiculous!!!

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Zack Attack?
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Really? I think the verdict is "stupid"!
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It's a Swayze-taur!
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Strange place for scripture . . .

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