When tattoos make you look ridiculous

[Joel S.]

May I have my $1000 now? I picked up the bass because I didn't want to be like everyone else. Everyone wanted to play guitar, so I became the only bassist.

That's dripping with Irony, you do know that don't you?

So are you going to sit there and say you weren't influenced by anyone and tried to mimic their playing in some form before you found your voice? Because that's what I was implying.

 

[MatticusMania]

That's dripping with Irony, you do know that don't you?

It wouldnt have been worth much to post if I didnt.

 

[Saetia]

I'm a boss. I hire people. I supervise people. I judge people on what they do -but if I have 2 candidates for a job come in and one is dressed business like and the other is in wrinkled clothes, I'm not going to be impressed with the second one. Doubt I'd hire him. If I have a candidate who has a tattoo snaking up his neck and can be seen outside his collar, or body piercings that can be seen, or full sleeve tattoos that can easily be seen through dress shirt, I may not hire him or her compared to someone who doesn't- because if I do, they are out there representing me. And unless you're working in a custom bike shop, it's not the image I want to project.

The most basic rule in preperation for a job interview of any sort is to dress for the job. I wouldn't walk into an interview for a high up foundry position with a suit on, it's not proper ettiqette. On the other side of the coin, when I've interviewed for positions that would potentially place me in a position where I speak on behalf of the company and would indeed be representing the company to current and future clients, I wear the clothing from my business wordrobe that I've spent thousands on over the years.

That being said, I have 2 inch holes in my ears and they've not inhibited me from receiving a job in high positions much like the ones I depicted above (representing and speaking on behalf of the company to current and potential clients). I've always been asked questions and answere said questions in a way that not only sparks curiosity, but diffuse any misconceptions they may have based upon the choices I've made for my body. They often want to see my tatts as well, and again I take action with my words in the same manner I do when in reference to my stretched lobes. I've even had potential clients ask to see my tattoos who later signed with our company for multi-million dollar contracts.

People with body modifications, visible or not, are still able to appear professional. If you have mods and dress professionally, wear subtle scents and conduct yourself with strong constant actions as well as use strong constant words that say exactly what you mean then from my experience you'll not a have a problem. It's all in how you present yourself in any instance of life and the pride you carry with you.

People try to portray themselves as being so sophisticated as if their ideals are dominant over all, when in all reality they don't even understand the origins of such lables. Sophisitcatation spawns from sophism and has been greatly contorted into the meaning which you find in the dictionary (a sophism in it self). Sophists use rhetoric to deceive and allude to their so called higher standard of living and knowledge and imprint their opinionated and judgmental nature upon others.

It's a deceptive and a very egocentric plight but that's the world we live in.

I step above and beyond the call of duty not to climb any sort of obstical such as body modification but because I pride myself on a job well done and being good at it. it just so happens I have to prove myself because I have body mods. My life is my truth and I've been successful in my endevors and have been able to sway the predjudice of many with doing nothing more then being myself. Ones true colors show through when given the chance to be shown. An interview is prime time to shine and let yourself out. Once out, I've been told I have knowledge beyond my years and that I'm a person of culture. Every job I've had, I've been refered to as an asset... tattoos, big lobes... body modifications and all.

-Benny

 

[Dr_Funkdamental]

And who would've thought that a bunch of gun-toting thugs with a bare minimum understanding of the English language and making non-sensible and meaningless "music" could be making millions and millions of dollars off their "records"?

Actually I'd like to know who youre referring to. Could you give some examples supporting your narrow minded comments? Is it nonsensible and meaningless because YOU dont understand it? Cause its funny that almost every major corporation in America has utilized the art form in which I THINK you are generalizing about as well as 'closet love' them. It amazes me how supposed "artists" make generalizations about other art forms. And thats only if the shoe fits. And for the record, I dont really listen to the art form in which I think you are "GENERALIZING" about, but I respect where it comes from and as with any genre, there are some that stay true and some that dont.

As far as tattoos, its pretty evident that it comes down to very individual situations on whether they fly or not. So individual that I dont think anyone can really give a blanket summary aside from err on the side of caution when thinking about your career path. Aside from that, this thread has taught me that ppl arrive at different times (if they arrive) to the place where they realize the world is bigger than them. It seems alot later for quite a few.

 

[Munjibunga]

OK, lets get back to when tattoos make you look ridiculous!!!

Jeez, if you have made that post on the first page, I wouldn't have had to write a single word. Thankew.

 

[Munjibunga]

I do pick the best person. I have no choice not to. I cannot afford to not have the office be successful. So stop rolling your eyes. My guess is that you aren't in a high position and have no idea what I'm talking about....so I'll say it simpler so you can understand.

I'm saying ALL OTHER FACTORS BEING EQUAL for two candidates, I would be inclined to not go with someone who had visible tattoos or unusual piercings, weird hair, bad body odor, inappropriate clothing, spoke poor grammar, etc...

Because in the real world, appearance DOES count. A good professional appearance carries credibility. A non-professional appearance does not. These people are out there representing me. So the guy/girl who doesn't have visible tattoos, who dresses and grooms professionally, carries themselves well and speaks good grammar will have a leg up on someone who does not. Every time.

that's reality.

Get it?

Thanks for picking up the slack, man. It was getting warm in here.

 

[Munjibunga]

Actually I'd like to know who youre referring to. Could you give some examples supporting your narrow minded comments? Is it nonsensible and meaningless because YOU dont understand it? Cause its funny that almost every major corporation in America has utilized the art form in which I THINK you are generalizing about as well as 'closet love' them. It amazes me how supposed "artists" make generalizations about other art forms. And thats only if the shoe fits. And for the record, I dont really listen to the art form in which I think you are "GENERALIZING" about, but I respect where it comes from and as with any genre, there are some that stay true and some that dont.

As far as tattoos, its pretty evident that it comes down to very individual situations on whether they fly or not. So individual that I dont think anyone can really give a blanket summary aside from err on the side of caution when thinking about your career path. Aside from that, this thread has taught me that ppl arrive at different times (if they arrive) to the place where they realize the world is bigger than them. It seems alot later for quite a few.

Strange. I got it. You know, those "artists" that rap about capping each other, then go do it? Ever hear about any of that? The same ones that glorify that type of behavior in their "art"? The "closet love" is only to buy votes. C'mon, they're politicians.

 

[Busker]

I can see it takes talent to do tats like those. But who in the world would want Oprah, Tony Danza, Brittney, and a Swayze-taur, like permanent? LOL

The Jack Black is cool.

 

[St. Judas]

I never imagined it possible, but I am one of the only people I know in my age rage (mid 20's) with zero tats, and zero intention of getting one. Maybe "allergic to pennicillin" on my chest, because I always lose those damn medic alert bracelets and necklaces...

I don't have any tats... yet... and I'm 24. I've got plans for one on each leg, one on each forearm, and maybe just maybe one on my neck. Yeah, I won't be able to "climb the corporate ladder" but screw that. I'm a trained artist and published poet. I consider myself blessed because I never ever have to walk into an office to make a pretty penny. My artwork and my poetry makes all the money I need.

 

[Munjibunga]

I don't have any tats... yet... and I'm 24. I've got plans for one on each leg, one on each forearm, and maybe just maybe one on my neck. Yeah, I won't be able to "climb the corporate ladder" but screw that. I'm a trained artist and published poet. I consider myself blessed because I never ever have to walk into an office to make a pretty penny. My artwork and my poetry makes all the money I need.

More power to you. You are one of the exceptions that may have a level of immunity to the social prejudice toward tattoos.

 

[BassXgirl]

Uh.....okay. If I must be grouped with "those" people, then all other sweeping (pointless) generalizations are true as well? If you drive a buick , you are an old lady, if you live in the hills of the south, your a dumb inbred redneck, if you drive a nice BMW, but live in the "bad" part of town, you must have either stolen it, or bought it with drug money.... and all of the generalizations of different races hold true as well????

Just checking to see how far "out there" some of you people are.

Great point.

This reminded me of a generalization my Grandfather made when I was a teenager. I was a pretty shy kid around him, but when I got my first bass, I was so excited that I brought it out and showed it to him. His response was to make a disgusted face, swing his hand in a disapproving downward motion, and tell me, "musicians are all just a bunch of drug addicts and queers"

Of course my Grandfather was from a much older generation. Times change. The few people here who are spewing such harsh generalizations and judgement on those of us with tattoos would also be assumed to be a 'drug adict and a queer' by my Grandfather. It is a generalization that would apply to ALL OF US HERE as bass players, and I'm sure we don't ALL fall into his stereotype.

My point is this: My Grandfather's old-fashioned way of thinking is no less ridiculous than some of the stereotypes i've read on this thread.

 

[missnu]

 

[Marlat]

Great point.

This reminded me of a generalization my Grandfather made when I was a teenager. I was a pretty shy kid around him, but when I got my first bass, I was so excited that I brought it out and showed it to him. His response was to make a disgusted face, swing his hand in a disapproving downward motion, and tell me, "musicians are all just a bunch of drug addicts and queers"

Of course my Grandfather was from a much older generation. Times change. The few people here who are spewing such harsh generalizations and judgement on those of us with tattoos would also be assumed to be a 'drug adict and a queer' by my Grandfather. It is a generalization that would apply to ALL OF US HERE as bass players, and I'm sure we don't ALL fall into his stereotype.

My point is this: My Grandfather's old-fashioned way of thinking is no less ridiculous than some of the stereotypes i've read on this thread.

Its a terrible point because its not what Munji said at all. What happened to reading skills these days?

 

[thehurlatron]

Its a terrible point because its not what Munji said at all. What happened to reading skills these days?

While reading something, it's open to interpretation of the reader. It's definitely not up to the "third person" to tell me what to get from it.

The tattoos must have affected my vision as well. What exactly are we supposed to "get" from what was written? Because your view and take on it obviously is much more "right" and important than ours.

 

[Marlat]

While reading something, it's open to interpretation of the reader. It's definitely not up to the "third person" to tell me what to get from it.

Tell that to a dictionary. Seriously, you can't ignore the meaning of words (well you can if you want to be wrong). You can interpret things that are meant to be ambiguous and open to interpretation, but not unambiguous statements like Munjis. Compare:

1. "I am lying on the bed"

2. "Her face reminded me of an autumn sunset"

Munji's statement is of the first variety. You are claiming it is of the second. To do that, you have to ignore whats written.

The tattoos must have affected my vision as well. What exactly are we supposed to "get" from what was written? Because your view and take on it obviously is much more "right" and important than ours.

Here's the quote below:

I doubt it's a fad. But as I said previously, it still is something you have in common with all prisoners, bikers, gangbangers, and the previously not-mentioned prostitutes and porn stars. Like it or not, that is the truth, everybody knows it, and you cannot disassociate yourself from that fact.

THe only statement being made is that people who have tattoos have somethign in common with "[all] prisoners, bikers, gangbangers" etc. Now, its possible that not all of those people have tattoos, but if they did, it is a matter of fact that you have something in common with them. You all have tattoos. You may not like it (as Munji says), but it is a fact - two people with tattoos have something in common. I have something in common with the leader of Burma, that is also a fact. But, I'm not flying off the handle if someone wants to point that fact out.

What Munji is not saying in that quote is that all people who have tattoos are "prisoners, bikers, gangbangers", which seems to be the fatal interpretive error that you have made. If you read what he has actually written, you will see that is correct. You are reading an analogy into what's written that Munji never made. OTOH, by failing to read carefully, I bet you fell right into his bait.

 

[baba]

The Swayze-taur is amazing. That is all.

 

[76Dub]

OK, lets get back to when tattoos make you look ridiculous!!!

Strange place for scripture . . .

Great butt though

 

[thehurlatron]

Tell that to a dictionary. Seriously, you can't ignore the meaning of words (well you can if you want to be wrong). You can interpret things that are meant to be ambiguous and open to interpretation, but not unambiguous statements like Munjis.


Here's the quote below:



THe only statement being made is that people who have tattoos have somethign in common with "[all] prisoners, bikers, gangbangers" etc. Now, its possible that not all of those people have tattoos, but if they did, it is a matter of fact that you have something in common with them. You all have tattoos. You may not like it (as Munji says), but it is a fact - two people with tattoos have something in common. I have something in common with the leader of Burma, that is also a fact. But, I'm not flying off the handle if someone wants to point that fact out.

What Munji is not saying in that quote is that all people who have tattoos are "prisoners, bikers, gangbangers", which seems to be the fatal interpretive error that you have made. If you read what he has actually written, you will see that is correct. You are reading an analogy into what's written that Munji never made. OTOH, by failing to read carefully, I bet you fell right into his bait.

I can read, and I understand what you and he are saying......

But I CAN come to the conclusion that the meaning is what I think it is.
By making that statement, he is saying that it is a true fact, and that he agrees with it. (or goes along with it)

If you say "if you have a tattoo, then you have something in common with all criminals, hookers, low lifes" and such.
Then you could EQUALLY say that anyone who has ever gotten drunk from an alcoholic beverage has something in common with white trash wife beating child abusing husbands/fathers.

or

If you live in the UK, and like soccer, you have something in common with unruly drunk holligans.

OR

You own a gun....you now have something in common with A LOT of people. Criminals, thugs, gangs, hunters, police officers.....

His comment is virtually pointless. True.....yes. But so are the ones I just listed. It's just about point of view, and what you are implying when you say something.

Side note....

Please step down from you mighty soap box. A "fun" back and forth is all good here on TB, but the whole "your an idiot" mentality you spew is rubbish.

 

[Marlat]

I can read, and I understand what you and he are saying......

But I CAN come to the conclusion that the meaning is what I think it is.

True, you CAN, but it doesn't mean you arn't wrong.

By making that statement, he is saying that it is a true fact, and that he agrees with it. (or goes along with it)

Do you agree with this statement: "a person with a tattoo has something in common with most prisoners, insofar as they both have tattoos"?

That is all Munji said in that quote. The rest is what you wanted it to say. It has nothing to do with what Munji said. I am sure he will pop in and clarify for you if needs be.

His comment is virtually pointless. True.....yes. But so are the ones I just listed. It's just about point of view, and what you are implying when you say something.

Side note....

Its not pointless at all, it contains a reasonable amount of wisdom which you could take from it when you consider the perspective its coming from. Unfortunately, you dove straight into assuming that by pointing out the stereotype, Munji subscribed to the stereotype. THere is a difference. I agree with Munji (that the stereotype exists), but I like tattoos.

Please step down from you mighty soap box. A "fun" back and forth is all good here on TB, but the whole "you're an idiot" mentality you spew is rubbish.

FWIW I think you're misinterpretting my intentions (as well as Munji). My intention, FWIW is to keep you from raising a straw man and then attacking it, which really derails the thread. If you focus on what the posters are actually writing and argue against the points they have raised, its maked the "fun" back and forth much more enjoyable for all involved. Straw man arguing just ruins threads.

 

[thehurlatron]

True, you CAN, but it doesn't mean you arn't wrong.



Do you agree with this statement: "a person with a tattoo has something in common with most prisoners, insofar as they both have tattoos"?

That is all Munji said in that quote. The rest is what you wanted it to say. It has nothing to do with what Munji said. I am sure he will pop in and clarify for you if needs be.



Its not pointless at all, it contains a reasonable amount of wisdom which you could take from it when you consider the perspective its coming from. Unfortunately, you dove straight into assuming that by pointing out the stereotype, Munji subscribed to the stereotype. THere is a difference. I agree with Munji (that the stereotype exists), but I like tattoos.



FWIW I think you're misinterpretting my intentions (as well as Munji).

Being in a forum on the internet, just by typing something, (even if it's fact) and not stating your view about it, leaves it up the the reader on what conclusions to jump to. Based on the earlier posts that he wrote, it was not a large leap to say that he agrees with the stereotype.
My opinion and view is NOT wrong.....it's just not yours.

If you are from the middle east, you have something in common with terrorists.

Just typing this and saying nothing else, people may assume that I agree with this statement. Which of course I don't. It's ridiculous!

And that comment IS worthless. It served no purpose. It is just a stupid generalization.

SIDE NOTE:
Your intentions are very unclear. From down here looking up at you, it seems the way I called it. When someone has a slogan of "bigger than Jesus", it's not a stretch to see it the way I do.

SIDE NOTE II:
I'm not really upset or even care of the outcome of this. I'm not on some kind of crusade for the rights inked people. There hasn't been too many good posts in the past few days on the bass side of things...