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Where were you when Jaco died?
- Thread starter bassrique
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The youtube description for that clip "Genra: Fusion Jazz"
So yes, I guess I would call Teen Town (fusion) jazz
Yeah, I don't know-maybe?
Miles, Coltrane, D. Gordon, Monk, etc. are who comes to (my) mind.
And usually DB.
Fair enough.
What would you call this [Stanley Clarke - Journey to Love]?
YouTube - ‪Stanley Clarke - Journey to Love‬‏
Jazz Fusion I would say, it's no-where near what I would consider Jazz but then I'm not a big jazzer anyway. I'm familiar with all the landmark stuff but I don't listen to it on a daily basis. The higher Jazzer scene in London was quite clicky, and a little aloof in places, related by players whom tried to break in to that 'inner circle'.
If there is only one Jaco thing I'm not that great a fan of, it was his 'walking' line style, too stuttered, too skippy for me, but who am I to crit
If there is only one Jaco thing I'm not that great a fan of, it was his 'walking' line style, too stuttered, too skippy for me, but who am I to crit
You still use a cd player?
And you don't like jazz???
Pfft.. what a neanderthal.. <smug laughter>
j/k
Edit: for the record, I only listen to jazz on vinyl, while drinking the finest chardonney and reading my first edition Dickens...
Sorry, I meant to say "Makes me turn down my tube only amp with vintage Altec alnico speakers and switch the record player to 33 and walk away in disgust"
Jazz Fusion I would say, it's no-where near what I would consider Jazz but then I'm not a big jazzer anyway. I'm familiar with all the landmark stuff but I don't listen to it on a daily basis. The higher Jazzer scene in London was quite clicky, and a little aloof in places, related by players whom tried to break in to that 'inner circle'.
If there is only one Jaco thing I'm not that great a fan of, it was his 'walking' line style, too stuttered, too skippy for me, but who am I to crit
Yeah, JP didn't do the traditional walking lines much, which is one reason why I like him. Don't get me wrong, I like "regular" jazz, but those endless walks aren't exiting to me, even though I damn well know it's an art.
Sure, a different kettle of fish,and technicaly, some great playing (be it funk-esque or not). To stir the pot, one of the three tags on that clip is "jazz rock"!
For the record, I do like Fourplay, I guess you could consider them jazz of some subset, but East is very pleasing to the ear, and has done some stellar (rock/pop) stuff with EC. He is a player I can respect!
I don't know, I think Jaco's personality meant he found it difficult to be a steady walker, he was a bit too wired for it. I could listen to Ron Carter all day playing tunes within tunes as he does, but walking I don't think was Jaco's strong point, but that depends I suppose on what you like.
Not saying your're wrong as I agree he was a pretty wired guy from what I understand. Walking was absolutely a strong point of Jaco's because he did trad-walking gigs all over the place down here before WP. He just didn't do a lot of it in a traditional way anymore when he got big as he was doing that Jaco-thing he invented. He started out playing with Ira Sullivan down here and pretty much just would lay down Ray Brown and Ron Carter style walking stuff when he wasn't exploring the "Jaco" stuff.
He kills here! YouTube - ‪Jaco Pastorius - Mr. PC‬‏
One of my favorite walking lines he's ever done: YouTube - ‪Weather Report - N.Y.C.‬‏
Well, to answer the question, I didn't exist. I was born in '91. However, when I get into a particular musician I feel a great connection to them. I feel incredibly sad when I think about John Lennon's death for example.
On the anniversary of Jaco's death I listen to Hejira and Weather Report etc.
As to the many side tracks in this thread: I personally am a huge lover of jazz. I love almost all jazz. Particularly what was going on in the 50s. Whoever tried to find fault in avant garde jazz and compared them to the figures of AC/DC's success, that seriously undermines the hard work and struggle of people like Cecil Taylor, Eric Dolphy, Archie Shepp, Albert Ayler, Don Cherry and not to mention, the Father, Coltrane.
Perhaps the intellectualised nature of jazz and its listeners has something to do with the fact that it is intellectual music and requires intellect to play, especially since Monk and Bird laid the foundations of Bop. I'm not saying it is better than King Diamond or whatever. Understand the music for what it is. Jazz is intellectual music in most cases and unfortunately that promotes snobbery. To me, it's the music of the underdog. But it's not R-5 all night, so don't bring up AC/DC or use such a term as "jazztard".
At the end of the day, jazz moves me, all kinds of jazz (excluding smooth
). Doesn't move you? Fine, move off. Jaco was a legend who crossed many borders in terms of musical styles as well as creating his own which I hear on a daily basis in other musicians, and people don't need to come here to say otherwise.
On the anniversary of Jaco's death I listen to Hejira and Weather Report etc.
As to the many side tracks in this thread: I personally am a huge lover of jazz. I love almost all jazz. Particularly what was going on in the 50s. Whoever tried to find fault in avant garde jazz and compared them to the figures of AC/DC's success, that seriously undermines the hard work and struggle of people like Cecil Taylor, Eric Dolphy, Archie Shepp, Albert Ayler, Don Cherry and not to mention, the Father, Coltrane.
Perhaps the intellectualised nature of jazz and its listeners has something to do with the fact that it is intellectual music and requires intellect to play, especially since Monk and Bird laid the foundations of Bop. I'm not saying it is better than King Diamond or whatever. Understand the music for what it is. Jazz is intellectual music in most cases and unfortunately that promotes snobbery. To me, it's the music of the underdog. But it's not R-5 all night, so don't bring up AC/DC or use such a term as "jazztard".
At the end of the day, jazz moves me, all kinds of jazz (excluding smooth
). Doesn't move you? Fine, move off. Jaco was a legend who crossed many borders in terms of musical styles as well as creating his own which I hear on a daily basis in other musicians, and people don't need to come here to say otherwise.
Well, to answer the question, I didn't exist. I was born in '91. However, when I get into a particular musician I feel a great connection to them. I feel incredibly sad when I think about John Lennon's death for example.
On the anniversary of Jaco's death I listen to Hejira and Weather Report etc.
As to the many side tracks in this thread: I personally am a huge lover of jazz. I love almost all jazz. Particularly what was going on in the 50s. Whoever tried to find fault in avant garde jazz and compared them to the figures of AC/DC's success, that seriously undermines the hard work and struggle of people like Cecil Taylor, Eric Dolphy, Archie Shepp, Albert Ayler, Don Cherry and not to mention, the Father, Coltrane.
Perhaps the intellectualised nature of jazz and its listeners has something to do with the fact that it is intellectual music and requires intellect to play, especially since Monk and Bird laid the foundations of Bop. I'm not saying it is better than King Diamond or whatever. Understand the music for what it is. Jazz is intellectual music in most cases and unfortunately that promotes snobbery. To me, it's the music of the underdog. But it's not R-5 all night, so don't bring up AC/DC or use such a term as "jazztard".
At the end of the day, jazz moves me, all kinds of jazz (excluding smooth
Well done.
R-5 is a record label?
Oh yeah, metal > Jaco, I mean Jerko
Please spare me. I don't like/play jazz because I'm not smart enough?
At the end of the day, jazz moves me, all kinds of jazz (excluding smooth
It was actually suggested earlier in the thread that Jaco was so good that every bassist should appreciate him as his skill "transcended genres" or something to that effect.
Lol, I like and appreciate Jaco as much as the next guy but I his playing isn't what I'd call "transcending genres", lol! I may be in the minority of Jaco fans but I actually don't really like most of what he did just certain things here and there. To put it another way I like his style but not everything he created with it.
Anyway, to respond to the topic I wasn't born yet. Either way, the death of a person I don't know doesn't really register with me.
Anyway, to respond to the topic I wasn't born yet. Either way, the death of a person I don't know doesn't really register with me.
Alexander Eddy said:
Just because a guys says that to play hockey you have to be tough and endure exhaustion doesn't mean that similar traits aren't required for other sports.
Name three sports besides golf where toughness and endurance aren't a huge advantage if not absolutely essential to success.
Dumb guys play dumb music.
