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Which lightweight cab is for me?

#21
I have a GK neo 212 cab that I bought used about 3 years ago. I auditioned it with a Mesa Walkabout a few years ago and it sounded just incredible. I didn't buy the Walkabout back then but have a WD-800 now and that combination just kills!. If you can afford the new Mesa cabs, I don't think you'll be disappointed, but if you're looking for budget, you can find used GK 212 neo cabs for under $500.
 
#23
Taustin Powers said:
I am a little baffled by those. What’s the purpose of the back speaker? Are they only useful in a certain kind of setting? In our practice space, it would be directly facing a wall, on stage - who knows...

Also not sure if they are available here.
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I've used them in multiple settings with success. The idea is to create 360 degrees of sound response. I would interpret the result to be a bigger, more full sound. I certainly prefer them over cabs with sealed backs and all forward facing speakers.

The HG 310 weighs in at 35 pounds, the 410 at about 45 pounds.

You can buy them direct from Bergantino. I don't know if they will ship to Germany, but if you're interested it might be a good idea to communicate with them about it.

Jim Bergantino is also a member of this forum and is on Facebook. You could probably begin a conversation with him from these sources. I've had several direct conversations with Jim and members of his team. He is very responsive, very easy to communicate with, and a super guy.

Best of luck in your search.

Koog
 
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#24
Definitely try before you buy, unless you can return. I like Bergantino a lot, but after trying out a bunch of them I decided the HDN212 worked better for me than the HG cabinets. For me that cabinet works really well.

Looking at the OP I see you like your Eden XLT, so you are going to want a cab with a low mid bump. TO me that rules out the Barefaced 12" cabs, as they are flat-response. The Mesa and Bergs are voiced, but not nearly as much as the Eden.

The Barefaced Four10 has the low mid emphasis, plus its low end goes much lower than either of the other two cabs (you may or may not like that). It doesn't have a tweeter, so if you need that hi-frequency ping it won't do that. Otherwise, it might be exactly what you are looking for.
 
#26
Ashdown has a new line of lightweight cabs. I have the 1X12, and I am very impressed with its very light weight, linearity, power handling, and low B string definition. I know you are thinking about a 2X12, but their 2X10 will do everything a 2X12 will do, with better definition and lighter weight.
 
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I play several different genres, all with a D800. I use a fEARful 1212/6/1 most of the time.
Biggest punchiest thing I've ever used, and I've been at it since before dirt was an effect.

In all seriousness, the full range and flatish cab thing allows you to dial in just about anything. From your list, I'd pick the Barefaced super twin.

Have you considered a 212 Fearless? greenboy.us speaker enclosures

N.B., there is an authorized Fearless builder for the UK/Europe market now.
 
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#28
I have a Barefaced Big Twin, which I think is pretty much identical to the Supertwin but with a tweeter. I've played through, but never owned, the Eden 410. I'll echo others that the BT doesn't have the low-mid hump the Eden does, though you can certainly dial in some low mids. It's pretty much flat, PA-like response, in a good way. Also played through a Berg 212, and loved the clean sound, but again doesn't have that Eden low-mid thing going on. If possible, try out Mesa's Subway 15 (or 2x15), lightweight and the tone might do it for you.
 
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Taustin Powers said:
My current rig is a Mesa D-800 through an Eden 410XLT. No effects, basses vary. I currently play in a funk band, so I like my tone warm and punchy, not too sterile.

I actually like how my rig sounds a lot, but would like to replace the cab with something much lighter. I am thinking a lightweight 2x12 should suit my needs just fine. I am considering:

Barefaced Super Twin
Mesa Subway Ultra-Lite 2x12
Bergantino HDN212

I am sure they are all quality products. How would you compare them tone-wise? Which one has the most baked in tone? Which one is the most neutral? Which one would be a good replacement for the Eden?
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In the same boat. I also use a Mesa D-800 (but with ampeg classic cabs) and am thinking about the new darkglass 212 or the Mesa 212. Neither of which are available to try around here.
 
#35
Taustin Powers said:
My current rig is a Mesa D-800 through an Eden 410XLT. No effects, basses vary. I currently play in a funk band, so I like my tone warm and punchy, not too sterile.

I actually like how my rig sounds a lot, but would like to replace the cab with something much lighter. I am thinking a lightweight 2x12 should suit my needs just fine. I am considering:

Barefaced Super Twin
Mesa Subway Ultra-Lite 2x12
Bergantino HDN212

I am sure they are all quality products. How would you compare them tone-wise? Which one has the most baked in tone? Which one is the most neutral? Which one would be a good replacement for the Eden?
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When I was lucky enough to demo Subway cabs and amps at the Mesa store in Hollywood, I thought the 2x10 was the best sounding one.

Have you checked out the demo videos at the Mesa website?
 
#36
I owned a pair of xlt's years ago paired with a wt800. It was a great setup.
I own a revsound rs 215t / rs 210 and a pair of barefaced four10's.

They sound very different. They all will cut through a band mix well, depending on your volume needs. In my experience the 215 is louder and deeper than the four10. Also a 4 ohm vs 8 ohm load. A pair of rs210's I'm sure would slam and they are bright cabinets. No tweeter needed at all.
The pair of 210's would be your lightest, easiest carry in and out for gigs. The four10 is the most awkward to move. The 215 pretty easy as well woth the top handle and wheels.
Sadly the only way for you to know which of those cabs is for you you would have to try them all out.
 
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Taustin Powers said:
My current rig is a Mesa D-800 through an Eden 410XLT. No effects, basses vary. I currently play in a funk band, so I like my tone warm and punchy, not too sterile.

I actually like how my rig sounds a lot, but would like to replace the cab with something much lighter. I am thinking a lightweight 2x12 should suit my needs just fine. I am considering:

Barefaced Super Twin
Mesa Subway Ultra-Lite 2x12
Bergantino HDN212

I am sure they are all quality products. How would you compare them tone-wise? Which one has the most baked in tone? Which one is the most neutral? Which one would be a good replacement for the Eden?
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Another Eden. D-210xst. Rated at 500 watts, great frequency range, pretty efficient, and about 50lbs lighter. I play in larger bands with horns and vocal and unless I’m playing outside, it’s more than enough.
 
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Taustin Powers said:
I am a little baffled by those. What’s the purpose of the back speaker? Are they only useful in a certain kind of setting? In our practice space, it would be directly facing a wall, on stage - who knows...

Also not sure if they are available here.
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Creates more of a “3D” sound field, you really need to experience it to understand: Audiokinesis makes cabs like that as well.

It also allows the drummer to hear you better on gigs.
 
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