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Whitney Houston---Dead?
- Thread starter Stinsok
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Damn shame. You keep hoping some of these people will get it together and give us some more greatness. Such a drag when they chose instead to self destruct.
I don't think I will. Is that OK with you?
I don't feel like "relaxing" when a musical legend dies.
But then, I am a MUSIC LOVER.
Not somebody who knows better than everyone else how everyone should live.
Characterizing my opinion of Whitney Houston by saying I "liked her," is beyond pedestrian. That's not the kind of music I listen to. I don't have a single album by her. Of all the films she made, I only saw "the Bodyguard," and I didn't really pay much attention to it.
I could hardly be called a fan.
However, I have made a clear case for her having perhaps the greatest voice in more than one generation of soul/R&B vocalists.
I'm not going to relax. Not today. And I have earmarked you as a poster that, whatever advice you give me or anyone, I am going to think twice before following it myself.
Your posts make me glad this world is made up of all different people.
Funny you'd say that. I don't dig Jimi all that much either.
I don't always get your sense of humor.
What was there to dig? Just a guy who radically changed music and culture in a short career.
Nothing to see here.
Move along.
Not to get all moralistic, but the Whitney Houston story serves to further illustrate the truth that career success - even outstanding career success as a performer, such as Whitney certainly had - is by no means synonymous with success as a person. 
So many brilliant artists - musicians, actors, dancers, etc....or even brilliant entrepreneurs, lawyers, journalists and statesmen, for that matter - have enjoyed truly transcendent, world-changing professional careers...and yet have led miserable, pathetic, desperately unhappy personal lives.
Here in NYC, the so-called "capitol of the world", I see it all the time: Highly "successful" people who don't know how to love - or how to accept love; don't know how to talk to their mates or to their children; don't know how to love and accept themselves; are always trying to fill the holes inside themselves with things that can never satisfy their urges, etc. So they get drawn away into illusory pursuits - like drugs, or uncontrolled sexual promiscuity, or spending & buying compulsions with which their incomes can never keep up - no matter how much money they earn.
Fact is, it takes maturity, wisdom, patience & healthy self-discipline to manage a successful career - and a successful personal life - simultaneously. You don't necessarily develop those qualities, simply because you have a successful career. Especially if you attract all kinds of sycophants, who only tell you how great you are - all day, all night, 24/7.
Those who manage to do it all can truly have it all. But it sure ain't easy - that's for darn sure...
MM
So many brilliant artists - musicians, actors, dancers, etc....or even brilliant entrepreneurs, lawyers, journalists and statesmen, for that matter - have enjoyed truly transcendent, world-changing professional careers...and yet have led miserable, pathetic, desperately unhappy personal lives.
Here in NYC, the so-called "capitol of the world", I see it all the time: Highly "successful" people who don't know how to love - or how to accept love; don't know how to talk to their mates or to their children; don't know how to love and accept themselves; are always trying to fill the holes inside themselves with things that can never satisfy their urges, etc. So they get drawn away into illusory pursuits - like drugs, or uncontrolled sexual promiscuity, or spending & buying compulsions with which their incomes can never keep up - no matter how much money they earn.
Fact is, it takes maturity, wisdom, patience & healthy self-discipline to manage a successful career - and a successful personal life - simultaneously. You don't necessarily develop those qualities, simply because you have a successful career. Especially if you attract all kinds of sycophants, who only tell you how great you are - all day, all night, 24/7.
Those who manage to do it all can truly have it all. But it sure ain't easy - that's for darn sure...
MM
She was a huge talent in her early career. What a terrible waste.
<edit> I've forgiven Bobby.
Not to get all moralistic, but the Whitney Houston story serves to further illustrate the truth that career success - even outstanding career success as a performer, such as Whitney certainly had - is by no means synonymous with success as a person.
So many brilliant artists - musicians, actors, dancers, etc....or even brilliant entrepreneurs, lawyers, journalists and statesmen, for that matter - have enjoyed truly transcendent, world-changing professional careers...and yet have led miserable, pathetic, desperately unhappy personal lives.
Here in NYC, the so-called "capitol of the world", I see it all the time: Highly "successful" people who don't know how to love - or how to accept love; don't know how to talk to their mates or to their children; don't know how to love and accept themselves; are always trying to fill the holes inside themselves with things that can never satisfy their urges, etc. So they get drawn away into illusory pursuits - like drugs, or uncontrolled sexual promiscuity, or spending & buying compulsions with which their incomes can never keep up - no matter how much money they earn.
Fact is, it takes maturity, wisdom, patience & healthy self-discipline to manage a successful career - and a successful personal life - simultaneously. You don't necessarily develop those qualities, simply because you have a successful career. Especially if you attract all kinds of sycophants, who only tell you how great you are - all day, all night, 24/7.
Those who manage to do it all can truly have it all. But it sure ain't easy - that's for darn sure...
MM
Well put.
...And the list of self destructed talents just grew a little bigger...
I've never been a fan, but I'd rather see a half talented useless a-hole like P. Doherty bite the dust than Whitney.
I've never been a fan, but I'd rather see a half talented useless a-hole like P. Doherty bite the dust than Whitney.
She was arguably the best female singer of our time. True God-given talent.
She did the best musical rendition of our National Anthem in front of millions of viewers at the Super Bowl, the recording of this version actually became a national hit. This song, which so many singers attempt to perform and end up butchering it up, was performed beautifully and with class:
RIP Whitney, you were loved by family, friends, and fans the world over.
She did the best musical rendition of our National Anthem in front of millions of viewers at the Super Bowl, the recording of this version actually became a national hit. This song, which so many singers attempt to perform and end up butchering it up, was performed beautifully and with class:
RIP Whitney, you were loved by family, friends, and fans the world over.
RIP. and a side note. Quit blaming Bobby. People make choices. That's like blaming the drug dealer, and not the addict.
Yep.
Whitney had more money than any of us could ever dream of. She had access to any kind of treatment or therapy she wanted. Instead, she made a choice to remain an addict and it killed her.
I think she had checked herself into a mental health facility recently? Addiction negates choice, doesn't matter how much money you have.
Everyone here agrees she was exceptional. Everyone agrees it was a tragedy and a waste. She was also a beautiful woman. That said, everyone also knows she lived a troubled life and everyone knows the fuel for the trouble. When the autopsy comes out nobody here is going to say "HA! In your face!" It will surprise many of us if her death were caused by anything not drug related.
sandmangeck said:
I would also say that Whitney was from Newark. She knew what kind of guy Bobby Brown was and she probably always
loved street life more than her image suggested. When she died she was seeing Ray J (the guy who tickled Kim
Kardashian's tonsils.) She had the voice of angel but not the tastes of an angel.
IMO... If you abuse drugs while you're young, it usually leaves a mark on you physically/emotionally. I'm not going to say she died of a drug overdose, but I wouldn't be surprised if her system wasn't what it used to be before her abuse. She was a talent... I was shocked...
But I wasn't surprised..
That kind of abuse marks a person... Although, somebody still needs to explain Keith Richards to me...
Back in the day, when I was in Smyna Ga. A singer I knew said "Whitney's really gansta. Her image isn't anything like the real her." Since my friend was hanging with another former band member of ours (He wrote 'It's not alright, but it's okay..") and Dallas Austin, I wasn't overly surprised by her toughness during her problem times. Rumors and hearsay is always floating around in the industry. You take it with a grain of salt depending on who you hear it from.
She was a singing mofo though and I'm hating losing the pre-american idol "talent." The ones that learned their craft the old fashioned way.
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