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They weren't 7 pages worth of comments...they were 7 pages worth of names...some of which named bass/drum combinations...others listed rhythm sections... LOL
Bands have always functioned as a whole. Some instruments provide melodic/harmonic parts/elements of that whole. Some instruments provide rhythmic elements. That's called a rhythm section. If you have an example of drums or bass playing the lead melody, if love to hear it (not really). But I don't take offence to the delineation of sections - if anything, the notion highlights the roles within 'the whole' and acknowledges the importance of those roles.
Rhythm sections are made up of "rhythm instruments...Guitars and keyboards are considered rhythm instruments...Yes...many rock bands consist primarily of rhythm instruments, therefore, the entire band would be considered as a rhythm section (or ensemble) like The Who...Daltry and Townsend would be part of the rhythm "section" or ensemble since they're certainly not brass, woodwind, or string players...Bands like Chicago or Tower of Power contain rhythm sections AND horn sections...true dat...Bass drum duo's are just that...they are NOT sections in and of themselves unless they are the ONLY rhythm instruments in an ensemble any more than just the small and power forward are the frontcourt on a basketball team...So is the center...7 pages or 100 pages of misinformation does not make it right...Sorry...Yes, they do.
Yes, it does.
Yep, it does. Listen to any hack play acoustic covers that don't sound right. The chords are there, the words are there, but the rhythm (ie. 'Rhythm section') isn't. You can't generate the appropriate rhythm without a bass and/or drummer. (Possibly with the exception of pop punk)
You're speaking in the context of an orchestral lineup. If someone names a drummer/bassist combo, whether I agree or not, I know what they're talking about. Anything beyond that is semantics and taking the fun out of taking the time to appreciate the groovers who do/did it well. Krist and Dave were brilliant together, as are Chad and Flea, I might add. Have a good day mate.
Not just from big bands...in any traditional jazz setting up to and including today, the classical rhythm section is considered to be piano, bass, and drums (a la Nat King Cole)...occasionally guitar, bass and drums (like Wes Montgomery worked with)...and sometimes, piano (or organ) , guitar, bass and drums (much more common...THIS!
This is an antiquated term.
From the days of Big Band.
When they had a horn and rhythm section.
Jazz band
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
A jazz band (jazz ensemble or jazz combo) is a musical ensemble that plays jazz music. Jazz bands vary in the quantity of its members and the style of jazz that they play but it is common to find a jazz band made up of a rhythm section and a horn section.
What you call "grooving", I call "locking" between a bass and drummer...Rocco and Garibaldi, Jamerson and Benny Benjamin, Rainey and Purdie, Bruce and Baker are some of the best at this locking technique...Entwistle and Moon...not so much...Both tremendous players...but they tended to work against each other (with great success) more as soloists playing together than a bass and drum locking with each other (now I'll REALLY get it from WHO fanatics LOL)...A very famous Tommy Dorsey recording..."Well Git It" featured a trumpet dual between Chuck Peterson and Ziggy Ellman...Those guys wailed back and forth and played off each other...yet those two did NOT constitute a "horn section"...You're speaking in the context of an orchestral lineup. If someone names a drummer/bassist combo, whether I agree or not, I know what they're talking about. Anything beyond that is semantics and taking the fun out of taking the time to appreciate the groovers who do/did it well. Krist and Dave were brilliant together, as are Chad and Flea, I might add. Have a good day mate.
By that definition,ALL of the music bands I listen to are.by definition,"rhythm sections!"
You're missing my point. Chad and Flea don't necessarily lock with each other either. My interpretation of a rhythm section is pretty basic - they play the foundations, both rhythmic and tonal, of a song - from which, other parts can extrapolate, play with, against, solo, add to in any way that doesn't change those foundations. In a band with a single guitarist, I don't feel the guitar is necessarily a rhythm instrument. It can play lead, it also plays in the upper range of available frequencies explored in that context. I feel like it's maybe akin to trumpet as far as its role in the arrangement, which is what I'm getting at. Without an abundance of lead instruments in a three-piece arrangement, the guitar has extra responsibilities, however subtle, other than rhythm, so I wouldn't include in that context.
So you're saying that Geddy and Peart, Garibaldi and Prestia, McCartney and Ringo, Wyman and Watts, Ronnie Baker and Earl Young are "cut off from the rest of the band? What did they do...make them go play outside? I've been in more recording sessions than I need to remember, and while I have on occasion seen the drummer partitioned from the rest of the ensemble in a separate booth...I've never seen the bassist in the booth with the drummer
...But as I initially said... this is a terrific thread for bass/drum duos, and rhythm ensembles are occasionally mentioned...but most of the responses are just not rhythm "sections", although I also can't determine how many of the responders have ever played a recording session either......
Sorry.I was editing my last post when you responded.So you're saying that Geddy and Peart, Garibaldi and Prestia, McCartney and Ringo, Wyman and Watts, Ronnie Baker and Earl Young are "cut off from the rest of the band? What did they do...make them go play outside? I've been in more recording sessions than I need to remember, and while I have on occasion seen the drummer partitioned from the rest of the ensemble in a separate booth...I've never seen the bassist in the booth with the drummer
