I heard a stoned guy f***ing around a bass then some guy comes along,slaps a sticker on it and calls it a solo.
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Who's Overrated? Who's Underrated?
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I heard a stoned guy f***ing around a bass then some guy comes along,slaps a sticker on it and calls it a solo.
+100, better than I could put it.
He was a virtuoso with all the right, but he's the EVH of the bass world, did the exact same thing. I mean, except survive, I suppose
Except that Eddie did something that Jaco never did: Wrote songs that sold records - and that people walked away singing. He coupled the virtuosity and innovation with great hooks. Having said that, Eddie has made a good run at winding up in the same place as Jaco. Unfortunately, where Jaco's demise can be connected to mental illness, Eddie's troubles are in large part due to plain old stupidity.
This really has turned into a my idol is better than you idol thread.
NO KIDDING!!! I guess puberty never wears out its welcome mat for some??
LOL
Yeah, Bakithi Kumalo was really a fan of fusion jazz. I'm sure that's what got him the Paul Simon gig too.
And Michael Anthony of Van Halen - yeah, another noted jazz fusion player right there.
You must have a hard time living with yourself then.
this argument is getting nothing accomplished.Jaco and John are just two different styles nothing else to it.
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Yeah, Bakithi Kumalo was really a fan of fusion jazz. I'm sure that's what got him the Paul Simon gig too.
And Michael Anthony of Van Halen - yeah, another noted jazz fusion player right there.
You must have a hard time living with yourself then.
I love how you didn't get the irony of the question. I love even more how, in your confusion, decided to ignore everything else. I said that although Jaco certainly influenced players from different genres, he's far from influencing most of the other players of that genre, or the genre itself. Jaco isn't on Entwistle's level simply because he never did as much. Saying that Entwistle just "played loud" and nothing else is like saying Jimi Hendrix just played "loud and distorted". We all know that's far from the truth, and their contributions to the music industry have been astounding. When you take Jaco into account, really count the things he contributed:
- Burpy sound (Which isn't even used by most bassists)
- Electric fretless (Which he bought fretless)
Woooooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Talk about influencing all bassists. Bud, you know when a musician is incredible when he influences everyone invisibly and indirectly. Do you think most kids think about Hendrix when they pick up a guitar with distortion? When they feedback? Of course not, certainly not most. Jarmerson has done the same. Jaco hasn't, because people who get influenced by him get influenced directly. I'll be damned if most kids playing Precision Basses with roundwounds and a trebly tone know who Entwistle is.
Entwhistle (yeah, my spelling is probably wrong) is great because he did things that nobody before him did. Same with Keith Moon.
Eh, Bruce had more sonic space to work with and had the front-man mentality. John had to contend with Townsend and Moon...
And speaking of front-men, and I won't say underrated, but oft under-appreciated: Phil Lynott, for being not only a great bassist but a fantastic front-man.
O'rly?
He only, along with Stanley Clarke, redefined the role of bass guitar.
Didn't do as much? Such as being the only electric bassist voted into the Jazz Hall of Fame?
Such as inspiring kids in African countries to play bass guitar?
Such as making the top 3 list of influences cited by pro bass players?
Yeah, he didn't do much.
Tell me what Entwistle did again? Oh, that's right - he played loud pentatonic lines in a loud rock band.
Well gee, seems to me that Jack Bruce was there first. IN fact, if you listen to Entwistle before and after Cream you can hear clearly Jack Bruce's influence on Entwistle.
He didn't solo. He didn't redefine the role of bass guitar in any context. He didn't explore new musical territory. He rarely if ever ventured outside of the pentatonic/blues scale. He had an impact on big dumb arena rock. But then again, so did John Paul Jones and for that matter, Gene Simmons.
how about you watch this then tell me what you think you brain-dead idiot http://www.snagfilms.com/films/title/john_entwistle_an_oxs_tale/
florox your just mad cause i called you an idiot ha. who did marcus miller copy? pino is THE most versitle bassist in the music business right now. pino is the only cat that is in high demand as a session bassist in every genre of american pop music, check that out homie. the "ox" just played whack pentatonic scales with no groove... sorry dude i guess you dont have much groove either or you might be able to hear it... keep sheddin though... john paul jones could and can play circles around the"ox" on not only bass but keyboards as well. and even though jaco is by far NOT my favorite bassist he was lightyears beyond entwistle. you keep on bringing up the fact that th "ox" helped create some gear and stuff, okay cool that dude can fix pinos bass amp while hes killin the who gig...
Winner of more Bass Player polls: Jaco Pastorius
Cited more often by bassists as an influence on their playing: Jaco Pastorius
The only electric bassist in the Jazz hall of fame: Jaco Pastorius
The bassist more renowned for virtuosity and impact on the instrument throught the 70's and into the 80's: Jaco Pastorius
The criteria applied throughout musical history to assess importance is technical prowess coupled with compositional prowess: Bach, Mozart, Beethoven have secured their place in history.
Jaco also fits that criteria. Entwistle wrote very little.
Jaco composed intricate pieces that revolutionized the electric bass's role in Jazz/Rock/fusion and eventually other styles of music as well.
Interesting to note that one of Jaco's disciples is now playing with the Who.
Here's some of what Jaco was wowing people with back in the 80's:
As much as I love Cliff he is a bit overrated, people put him up so high and dont even know hes dead? Posers, anyway great musician if only people actually knew more about him.
Peter Hook is underrated by far. Nobody seems to know him, yet he helped pioneer one of the best bands.
Peter Hook is underrated by far. Nobody seems to know him, yet he helped pioneer one of the best bands.
I respect John Entwistle's contributions as much if not more than Jaco's. Musical skill/virtuosity is not the whole of what makes a piece shine, it is soul. I would challenge you to produce Jaco's original charts as evidence to your statements as his compositions are minimal in scope compared to many others of his time. What Jaco had, aside from a vast musical sense, was chops. Yet his compositions were far from "intricate" (which does not equal good) and his instrumental prowess far surpassed his skill as a composer.
Sorry.
More girls like the Ox, JPJ, and Gene. End of story.
If I play Jaco at 9 out of 10 parties, I will be asked to stop. If I play Stanley Clark, I'll be thrown out. If I play "Whole Lotta Love" or (god forbid) "Rock&Roll All Night"?
I have been on every side of the musical spectrum and have jammed with Jaco's kid. He would probably tell you the same thing.
