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Why All The Hate for Jay Cutler?
- Thread starter jaywa
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So what? Don't let a few facts get in the way of this debate.
-Mike
Seriously. Not being able to see the Jay Cutler suck factor is like trying to say that Maki really is a proud man.
Yes.
Compared to the other players on the team? No.
Do you really think the Bears would have been better last year with Mark Sanchez? Kyle Orton? JaMarcus Russell?
Look - the Bears have very little talent, especially on the offensive side of the ball. I don't care who the QB was, they weren't going to be good last year.
Cutler can win you a lot of games given enough talent. That Bears team last year? Peyton Manning might have won 9 games.
Your passer rating doesn't go up by starting more games. In fact, the number of games you play has absolutely zero effect on your passer rating.
...and most of them played quite a few games.
Jamarcus Russel - 12/16
Jake Delhomme - 11/16
Josh Freeman - 10/16
Matt Stafford - 10/16
Mark Sanchez - 15/16
Brady Quinn - 10/16
Ryan Fitzpatrick - 10/16
Matt Cassel - 15/16
Marc Bulger - 9/16
Matt Hasselbeck - 14/16
Chad Henne - 14/16
Average number of games started: ~12
Average number of games started by all 32 NFL starters: ~14
Not a huge statistical difference from the group at large.
His "intangibles" are absolutely horrible. Intangibles are most important at QB. Too much emphasis is put on arm strength, height, speed, etc intead of whether or not you actually win the game by your leadership.
Its about winning games you were supposed to win and more importantly winning games you weren't supposed to win. Just look at Alex Ovechkin right now.
Its about winning games you were supposed to win and more importantly winning games you weren't supposed to win. Just look at Alex Ovechkin right now.
More games = more stats. How does that not affect rating?
If these guys had played more games, maybe they would have made more plays and their rating changed. Cutler played 16 out of 16 games, and that's a lot more opportunity to screw up than 9 or 10 out of 16.
More games = more stats. How does that not affect rating?
Because qb rating is a RATE stat.
It's like saying playing more games would increase your average yards per game, or your average number of touchdowns per game.
If you throw 1 touchdown and play 1 game - you average 1 td per game.
If you throw 16 touchdowns and play 16 games - you average 1 td per game.
The highest possible QB rating is 158.3, and you can get it playing in only a few snaps.
Last year Eli Manning had a game where he had the following stats:
8/10, 173 yards, 2 touchdowns.
His QB rating for that game? 158.3.
His QB rating for the season if that is the only game he played? 158.3
Well, depends on what the numbers were. There are lots of possible ways to get a perfect QB rating.
But yes it would probably change... for the worse.
It couldn't get any higher.
Say you're a QB who plays 1 game at 100 QB rating level.
Your QB rating will be 100 at the end of the season.
Say you're a QB who plays 16 games at 100 QB rating level.
Your QB rating will be 100 at the end of the season.
Notice how playing 15 more games at a high QB rating didn't change the QB rating at all?
Just like the difference between the guy who rushes for 100 yards a game for 16 games vs. the guy who rushes for 100 yards in one game and doesn't play again.
They both average 100 yards rushing per game.
The guy who played 16 games will have better TOTAL rushing yards, but will have exactly the same average rushing yards per game.
Playing more games doesn't improve your QB rate - unless you play better in those games. There is nothing about accumulating stats that will improve QB rating.
The only thing I find more incredible than Cutler's 26 INTs is that he threw 27 TDs on a team where he was running for his life on half the plays and his WRs were running the wrong route the other half.
If he cuts his INTs by even 1/3 and increases his TDs by 1/3 that's a season of 36 TDs to 17 INTs (FWIW Peyton Manning in 2009, 33 TDs and 16 INTs). And if that were to happen I dare say no one will give a damn about his intangibles.
If he cuts his INTs by even 1/3 and increases his TDs by 1/3 that's a season of 36 TDs to 17 INTs (FWIW Peyton Manning in 2009, 33 TDs and 16 INTs). And if that were to happen I dare say no one will give a damn about his intangibles.
Fair enough. When he has the season you described, I'll cut him some slack. If he can do for 3 consecutive seasons I'll join his fan club.
Needless to say, I don't see a Jay Cutler Fan Club membership card taking up residence in my wallet . . . ever.
LOL! It's true! If he had one crazy-incredible game/ridiculously awful game thrown in there, his passer rating would have changed quite a bit.
Tie an anchor to this thread. We've talked about Cutler long enough. How about a thread on McNabb or Cassel?
-Mike
-Mike
Yes, if he had one crazy awesome or one crazy bad game it would affect his passer rating and his season averages, but not by "quite a bit"; as you suggest. As it is, Jay Cutler still finished the season, as bad as it was, with the team he had around him, with a passable (no pun intended) set of stats, minus his ridiculously high interception count, which is most likely due to his surroundings.
Well I know one thing, now that Orlando Pace is gone, he may actually have a second or two to throw the ball. Another year with his young, inexperienced, less than stellar receiving corps, and an offensive coordinator who like to chuck the ball, and I can see them improving. Look at the last two games of 09. Pace was out of the line up, and they looked like a different team.
P.S. Go Bears!
P.S. Go Bears!
I am a huge Denver fan, and Jake Plummer fan, because under Plummer we never missed the playoffs and he brought the AFC Championship game back to Denver! Then Cutler is drafted and Plummer retires after taking us to 7-4, and getting benched. Two-thirds of the way through the season.
Cutler put up some fancy numbers but choked in big games, and in 4th quarter situations where it counted. Never did take Denver to the playoffs under Shannahan who was the perfect fit for him. Like someone said, the next Jeff George.
Cutler put up some fancy numbers but choked in big games, and in 4th quarter situations where it counted. Never did take Denver to the playoffs under Shannahan who was the perfect fit for him. Like someone said, the next Jeff George.
