Why are old Peaveys so cheap?

[Iridescentone]

This thread is driving up Peavey bass prices. Please stop posting in it. Thank you.

Prices have been creeping up slowly for years. Naturally threads like this one help the process. I wouldn't be surprised if eventually, Foundations were to sell in the $350-400 range, which still isn't a whole lotta money for a decent bass.

Another contributing factor, seldom mentioned, is that the old ones are now hitting the vintage guitar catagory, age-wise. At some point, expect the vintage guitar dealers to take notice and hype the values. Or at least try to.

 

[coyote1]

You better be taking some pictures!

Soon.

In the meantime, a single hour using it has me re-thinking what I want in a bass. The Grind has no batteries, zero hum and plenty of awesome sound. It doesn't have multiple tone controls. A single knob takes you across the entire tonal spectrum of the instrument..... and that spectrum is quite broad, and sounds really good along the entire breadth.

 

[mb94952]

WOW, my gosh. I unsubscribed from this thread because I was getting phone alerts every two seconds !! This is the thread that started out with a simple, innocent question and has turned into a novel.

Just to chime in again on the off-topic topic, the Chinese ARE building incredible guitars and basses (as well as infrastructure !) that are super affordable. The Squier Classic Vibe to me is just as good as any MIJ and better than some MIA basses. The feel and tone is spot on. Just look at the Classic Vibe Club - They are just as enthusiastic as we Peavey people are, so in a way I relate MORE to Classic Vibe super freaks than Fender Followers because the Classic Vibe is the modern day Peavey. I consider the Classic Vibe fans as "brothers" to the Peavey fans.

Also, yes, the Peavey Grind is AMAZING !! For $300, there is no better passive boutique bass. When you pick one up and play it, it feels like $1,200.

 

[coyote1]

Since a photo was requested....

There it is, on the left. Along with two of my other basses, a Conklin GT7 and a Tune TWB53.

The amps are a GK800RB atop a Hartke aluminum cone 4x10. That belongs to the bassist, as does the effects rack. My stack is a Hartke HA2000 driving an Ashdown 4x10 and a Peavey 4x10. There is a guitar amp in front of the Peavey cab, which is directed 90 degrees away into the room.

To the right of all that is my Hammond A100 and Roland JP8000.

 

[maturanesa]

I've never owned a Peavey that wasn't every bit as well made as a Fender, Gibson, or Ric. In fact, most Peavey basses I've owned are better made than what I've seen from those brands. In some cases, a LOT better made. I remember the first time I took the pickguard off a mid-70's Ric 4001. It looked like a high school shop student routed out the cavities. No Peavey I've ever seen had woodworking that primitive.

I don't know which neck-thru Peavey you have, but every neck through Peavey I own is better made, with more expensive hardware, electronics and woods, than any Fender I've ever seen. Take the Sarzo bass, for example. 9v preamp, active/passive, 3-band EQ, ebony board with snake eye inlays, sleek translucent paint covering ash body wings with superb grain, 5-piece flame maple/purpleheart neck through body, dual humbucking pickups, Schaller roller bridge, top of the line enclosed tuners.

Now, take that and compare it to a Fender, Gibson or a Rick from any time period. Doesn't look too good in comparison, does it?? In fact, put any Fender product up against this, and the Fender comes across looking like a orphan in a workhouse in Victorian England.

A high end neck-through should have the block that crosses the body with the same width as the neck (or the continuation of the neck lines). That looks like a cheap neck through (the peavey). It should be like this:
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[maturanesa]

I don't know which neck-thru Peavey you have, but every neck through Peavey I own is better made, with more expensive hardware, electronics and woods, than any Fender I've ever seen. Take the Sarzo bass, for example. 9v preamp, active/passive, 3-band EQ, ebony board with snake eye inlays, sleek translucent paint covering ash body wings with superb grain, 5-piece flame maple/purpleheart neck through body, dual humbucking pickups, Schaller roller bridge, top of the line enclosed tuners.

Now, take that and compare it to a Fender, Gibson or a Rick from any time period. Doesn't look too good in comparison, does it?? In fact, put any Fender product up against this, and the Fender comes across looking like a orphan in a workhouse in Victorian England.

Go and tell that to this guy:

Or this:

Or this:
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[No Neck Shrek]

A high end neck-through should have the block that crosses the body with the same width as the neck (or the continuation of the neck lines). That looks like a cheap neck through (the peavey). It should be like this:

Where exactly are you getting your information ?

Here maybe this will help you understand the concept better.


From Wikipedia,

Neck-through or neck-thru (or in full form neck through body) is a method of electric guitar or bass guitar construction that involves extending the piece (or pieces, in a laminate construction) of wood used for the neck through the entire length of the body, essentially making it the core of the body. The strings, fretboard, pickups and bridge are all mounted on this piece. So-called "ears" or "wings" (i.e. side parts of the body) are glued or laminated to the central "stick". The "wings" may be bookmatched in order to give a symmetrical appearance, and are often cut from one piece of wood.

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Happy reading ! I hope this helps you to understand the concept of "A high end neck-through " design.

My 1991 Sarzo with upgraded bridge !

 

[No Neck Shrek]

Go and tell that to this guy:

Or this:

Or this:
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Which one of these are "A high end neck-through " design?

 

[maturanesa]

Which one of these are "A high end neck-through " design?

Read the quote of my post you are quoting...

 

[maturanesa]

Where exactly are you getting your information ?

Here maybe this will help you understand the concept better.


From Wikipedia,

Neck-through or neck-thru (or in full form neck through body) is a method of electric guitar or bass guitar construction that involves extending the piece (or pieces, in a laminate construction) of wood used for the neck through the entire length of the body, essentially making it the core of the body. The strings, fretboard, pickups and bridge are all mounted on this piece. So-called "ears" or "wings" (i.e. side parts of the body) are glued or laminated to the central "stick". The "wings" may be bookmatched in order to give a symmetrical appearance, and are often cut from one piece of wood.

or maybe this : Invalid Link Removed

Happy reading ! I hope this helps you to understand the concept of "A high end neck-through " design.

My 1991 Sarzo with upgraded bridge !

Check out Foderas and others high end neck throug basses. All of them have the neck matching the block width.. like this:

 

[Scott in Dallas]

A high end neck-through should have the block that crosses the body with the same width as the neck (or the continuation of the neck lines). That looks like a cheap neck through (the peavey). It should be like this:
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So your contention is that the one with the wood that's WIDER than the neck is ... cheaper?

 

[No Neck Shrek]

Read the quote of my post you are quoting... . . . .Note to maturanesa: You can edit your quotes.

Oh I get it, your a Fender fan, but the pictures you posted had nothing to do with the neck through design part of what you quoted.

Check out Foderas and others high end neck through basses. All of them have the neck matching the block width... . . . . Note to maturanesa: See how I corrected/edited your spelling.

Apparently you didn't read the information I provided for you.



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So your contention is that the one with the wood that's WIDER than the neck is ... cheaper?

 

[pudgychef]

old peaveys rock!! find me a better $100 bass.....

 

[coyote1]

Fodera opts to have their 4 string neck thru be the same width.
Peavey does not.

'Cheap'?? Well, yeah.... all the inexpensive neck-thrus (Washburn, Cort, etc) seem to have one neck-thru body width for all their instruments while Fodera, Ken Smith and the rest of the high-end makers have different widths for different necks.

It makes sense. One neck sandwich making machine, then CNC down to whatever width you need while not having to change the 'wings' or any other component of the build. It's how the customer can spend $500 instead of $4000.

 

[pudgychef]

Fodera opts to have their 4 string neck thru be the same width.
Peavey does not.

'Cheap'?? Well, yeah.... all the inexpensive neck-thrus (Washburn, Cort, etc) seem to have one neck-thru body width for all their instruments while Fodera, Ken Smith and the rest of the high-end makers have different widths for different necks.

It makes sense. One neck sandwich making machine, then CNC down to whatever width you need while not having to change the 'wings' or any other component of the build. It's how the customer can spend $500 instead of $4000.

i think the point of this thread is to highlight all the great USA peaveys....Cort has never made a North American built bass and Washburn's XB900s while being decent basses, were nothing spectacular....

really the choice Peaveys (imho) are bolt on...

 

[coyote1]

i think the point of this thread is to highlight all the great USA peaveys....Cort has never made a North American built bass and Washburn's XB900s while being decent basses, were nothing spectacular....

really the choice Peaveys (imho) are bolt on...

No, there's a USA Peavey thread for that.

The point of this thread is to address why Peavey has a rep for cheapness. And that conversation has taken many twists and turns.

 

[No Neck Shrek]

Here are a couple of my great buys on PEAVEYs !

I don't know why they were so cheap to buy !


Both pictures are after I cleaned them up.

Foundation 2000 - Craigslist - $65 with a gig bag & 4 sets of strings - Foundation 5 - Craigslist -$45

 

[smcd]

A high end neck-through should have the block that crosses the body with the same width as the neck (or the continuation of the neck lines). [/IMG]

LOL!!! You have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[Misty Mountain]

I love Peavey haters! Show some one-off, custom built Fenders (bolt-on), the likes of which have never seen the insides of a retail establishment, and compare them to a production line, mass produced Peavey to make a point. Hey, that mid-90's BMW 3 series is nowhere near as nice as a Bentley Continental, so it must be crap!

 

[CBNJ]

It's official: I want another Peavey. Where do I go after my Fury? I've been watching videos of the T-40 and love the sound, but seems like they're pretty 'expensive' compared to the rest of the gang. There is one on GC for $250.