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Double Bass Why did Steve Swallow switch?

Futurebass said:
Does anybody know why Steve Swallow switched from double bass to bass guitar?

He's a visionary.

I havn't read past the first page yet but as an electric bass player who plays jazz I'm so greatfull for Steve Swallow. He's able to use an electric bass with the openness, the feel and the sensitivty of an acoustic player. Electric bass player are agressive players, this is the main reason why you won't hear them playing in a jazz context that isn't fusion or more modern. I've been haning with some great older cats who have hipped me to this. Although I'll always have my roots in electric playing I'm now spending a lot of time listening to Steve Swallow and Charlie Haden (I could write a short dissertation on how I feel about Charlie. What a beautiful cat. He hears things in such a profound way.). Listening to Paul Motion's playing from the last five years is an eye opening experience as well. Anyhow, we can learn a lot from the great Steve Swallow. He's melded two worlds that don't generally like to speak to each other and he's done it with absolute grace. What a beautiful man.
 
David Benyahia said:
His bass is built by Harvey Citron (Link Removed) - 36" scale, EADGC tuning, tight string spacing.



Saw him last year in London with The Lost Chords band and agree with your observations. I noticed that he keeps the ring and "pinky" finger of his picking hand firmly planted on the body of the bass at all times. SS uses Dunlop copper plectrums and La Bella 'Deep Talkin' strings (if people want to know).

36" scale? Very interesting. Thanks David.

Also, in a recent Bass Player issue Steve Swallow explains a good amount of his pick playing. He indeed uses upstrokes from being an acoustic bass player. He has also studied picking techniques of some of the great guitar players he's played with.
 
Bruce Lindfield said:
I've said before but I just really don't like his tone ...

To me it sounds like synth bass or as if he's used a ring modulator - a sort of 'clangy' sound ? :hmm:

No doubt he plays some interesting stuff - but I just can't get past that synthetic sound and it really stands out to me - like running your fingernails down a blackboard.... unpleasant!
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I've enjoyed this thread, Steve has long been a favorite of mine. Quite a while, in fact, and in some ways lately I find myself sharing this opinion.
Funny thing is a die-hard EB player said practically the same thing on another forum. The guy couldn't stand the piezo sound.

To me his Citron sounds like an instrument that dosen't know what it wants to be- a luke warm electric buzz. I liked the Parker better. His last few releases (Tin Pan, En Route) seem like a relentless post be-bop workout without a soul and the guitar doesn't help much.--that must sound more harsh than I mean it. :(

He's a force to contend with either way and deserves all the praise he receives. Great sense of humor too.

John
 
JohnBarr said:
Bruce Lindfield said:
I've said before but I just really don't like his tone ...

To me it sounds like synth bass or as if he's used a ring modulator - a sort of 'clangy' sound ? :hmm:

No doubt he plays some interesting stuff - but I just can't get past that synthetic sound and it really stands out to me - like running your fingernails down a blackboard.... unpleasant!
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I've enjoyed this thread, Steve has long been a favorite of mine. Quite a while, in fact, and in some ways lately I find myself sharing this opinion.
Funny thing is a die-hard EB player said practically the same thing on another forum. The guy couldn't stand the piezo sound.

Yeah I have no doubt he's a great player - I just hate the sound and would love it if he reverted to DB!!

I find it doubly irritating as, whenever I meet people (i.e. Jazz players of other instruments) when playing Jazz, they always mention Steve Swallow to me, as they know I play BG and they think they're being friendly/chatty.

Then I have to agonise about whether to come across as unfriendly by saying - well actually I really can't stand his tone - or just shut up and nod, bearing in mind that they are trying to show that they know of other BG players in Jazz!!
 
emjazz said:
He's a visionary.

Although I'll always have my roots in electric playing I'm now spending a lot of time listening to Steve Swallow and Charlie Haden (I could write a short dissertation on how I feel about Charlie. What a beautiful cat. He hears things in such a profound way.)

My two favorite bass players too. Its about the music, not the chops.

Steve Swallow's playing with Carla Bley is just so sexy. I love the interplay and Steve's tone in my opinion sounds perfect in that situation. No its not the traditional jazz tone - however it is his voice - and a beautiful one at that.
 
i love steve swallows electric sound on his solo albums, i think you can hear victor bailey was influenced by him a lot which is interesting as he is a fusion player.
i saw him play on upright bass with a flugelist and jim hall on an old black and white video clip, he looked like he had the ron carter approach on his right hand tecnique, i think that was the more modern way of playing even then so maybe he always was searching for a modern style. Also for me he's an inspiration in that he wasn't afraid to make the transition to a new intrument even at 30! but he is also a great writer, arranger and producer, a really talented guy.IMO
 
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Bruce Lindfield said:
Yeah I have no doubt he's a great player - I just hate the sound and would love it if he reverted to DB!!

I find it doubly irritating as, whenever I meet people (i.e. Jazz players of other instruments) when playing Jazz, they always mention Steve Swallow to me, as they know I play BG and they think they're being friendly/chatty.

Then I have to agonise about whether to come across as unfriendly by saying - well actually I really can't stand his tone - or just shut up and nod, bearing in mind that they are trying to show that they know of other BG players in Jazz!!
so tell us what you know about other bass guitarists in jazz.

i think your main problem of totally dismissing one of our fellow jazz bass legends is that you haven't listened to enough music in general and when you hear someone with a unique voice you can't relate to it, you don't have a point of reference.
 
Great thread.

When I first heard Swallow's playing on "Floater" w/ the Carla Bley folks (forget the album title), I was sold for life. I don't care what he plays. In my opinion he's one of the few who has a fluidity of tone that truly speaks.
 
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33degrees said:
i think your main problem of totally dismissing one of our fellow jazz bass legends is that you haven't listened to enough music in general and when you hear someone with a unique voice you can't relate to it, you don't have a point of reference.

Well - you're wrong on both counts - I'm not totally dismissing him - I just said I don't like his tone and surely that's my prerogative and admittedly purely subjective. I have no doubt he's a great player - I just can't listen to that metallic clanging tone!

Maybe my loss, but I dont see where you get off saying I haven't lisened to enough music - that is a huge assumption for which you have no evidence whatsoever!! :hmm:


In fact I would like to bet that I have listened to far more music than you - I have been going to gigs and playing music for well over 30 years - I built up collections of music on vinyl numbering thousands of albums over decades.

Now I have several thousand CDs of Jazz, Classical music - contemporary,avant-garde etc - all types of world music.

I go to classcial concerts in London and am a regular Prom-goer at the Albert Hall, I go to Jazz gigs every Friday night at Brighton Jazz club which is renowned in the UK for having the most eclectic programme and I go to other gigs as often as I can - that is when I am not playing Jazz or going to Jazz classes etc etc.

I would also like to bet I could name far more Jazz electric bassists than you - although I'm not going to spend all day typing here just to prove your ignorance...;)

My personal favourites are :

Jaco - of course,
Franc 'O Shea
Laurence Cottle
Dudley Phillips
Kai Eckhardt
Eberhard Weber
Sam Burgess
Stefan Rademacher
Dominique Di Piazza
Hugh Hopper

That's just a few without mentioning all the other obvious choices like John Patitucci, Stanley Clarke etc etc.
 
Bruce, might I suggest ignoring this rude-mannered Gallic pain in the cyber-butt? He is clearly here to have some puerile fun. In this thread he came close to talking about music for longer than a sentence or two. But now he's reverted to form: gargoyle with a pathologically sub-normal social intelligence quotient.
 
33degrees said:
'metallic clanging tone'? i think you've been listening to the wrong guy, i know it's subjective but give your ears a clean. i'd of said it's a very smooth nylon tone , almost like he's playing spanish guitar.

Well...I could say the same to you - we know he uses a metal pick and metal strings - what are you lisening to - maybe you have too much ear wax in there to hear clearly and you're just not getting the full sound ...:hmm:

so you're another one that collects music by the thousands and never listens to it, try sticking one on the stereo and listening to it once in a while.

Well - thanks for the "respect" - I listen to CDs every day and as I say go to concerts very frequently - how many have you been to say in the last 30 years...? :hmm:

Brighton, don't make me laugh, the only people that play down there are George Melly & the Nolan sisters :p


Paris - don't make me laugh - it's all "hot-club" and Stephan Grappeli!! :spit:


www.brightonjazzclub.co.uk
 
bass_means_LOW said:
Check out Paul Bley's trio with Steve Swallow and Pete LaRoca reissued on Savoy Records-great stuff.

Thanks, I will check it out. I have the double set with Paul Bley and Jimmy Giuffre - The Life of a Trio, all improvised during a Saturday nite session and a Sunday morning session. Different combinations solo tracks, duos and trio. A favorite CD of mine.

Re Steves tone. Again - its his voice. Obviously the doghouse wasn't the voice he was looking for. I personally am glad that there is someone out there in the more 'traditional' forms of jazz (ie not fusion) who decided to be himself, when he could have easily sold out and sounded like any another bass player.

The man took a massive risk by changing instruments and in my opinion it paid off. Hopefully he will encourage others to take risks to find their own voice - as opposed to settling for what they expect others want to hear from the bass.
 
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The weird thing about Swallow is how different he sounds in different settings. Think of his sound on, say, "Hotel Hello", where he sounds very guitarish and bright, and then compare it to an album like "Real Book" where he blends in to the overall sound more and really supports the grooves, albeit in a very unorthodox way.

Visually, he's really something, he just has some great hands! Like big ol' spiders. Whether you dig him or not, you have to give him points for being original.
 
Marcus Johnson said:
The weird thing about Swallow is how different he sounds in different settings. Think of his sound on, say, "Hotel Hello", where he sounds very guitarish and bright, and then compare it to an album like "Real Book" where he blends in to the overall sound more and really supports the grooves, albeit in a very unorthodox way.

Visually, he's really something, he just has some great hands! Like big ol' spiders. Whether you dig him or not, you have to give him points for being original.

I agree. Swallow's tone has varied a bit over the years. I have a live album he did fairly recently with Lee Konitz & Paul Motian. His tone is very warm on that particular recording. Same goes for the recent Scofield live recording "En Route."

I also have the particular Scofield album Mr. Lindfield mentioned and I think it is not the best representation of Swallow's tone.

But love him or hate him, Swallow is an original....
 
Hi. I'm new here. Anyway, I don't care for SS's 70's and early 80's tone. That DID sound clangy and unapealing to me. But from the album Real Book on, I'm just blown away. Beautiful and warm are all I can say about what his sound turned into. And his fluid playing and harmonic/melodic knowledge are second to none in my book.
That's my two cents.
Thanks!
p.s. Charlie Haden and Dave Holland blow my mind! I love Ron Carter's playing as well.
 

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