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Why have a nice rig just to be run direct?

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DaveSill said:
I'm a pretty crappy player but I can't imagine why any bass player would be OK with trusting a sound engineer with shaping their sound. Do you play every song with the same effects? Do you not care whether the audience hears the effects that you think sound right for each song?

I can see sending a post-effect and/or post-amp signal to the board--you can always add cabinet simulation--but a completely dry signal? No.way. That's crazy.
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Not all bass players use effects. Many also are not in bar cover bands and may very well be using the same tone for the entire show.
 
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It took me some time to figure this all out when first started gigging my rig and pedal board I have now. I play in a hard rock original band. I have the sound guy DI out the from of my amp and push the bottom in for post so it picks to my amp EQ/pre and my board so the audience hears every effect I stomp. I use three various dirts at any given time, I probably have some kind of dirt going 95% of the time and other effects like flanger or chorus going maybe 10% of the time and delay, trem, wah and octave going 3 to 5% of the rest of the time. My B7K is ran as a clean pre the whole time. So yeah, I need the FOH to pick up entire rig.
 
#408
Pako said:
Spent most the evening honing in on concerts and found the majority of the bass rigs to be mic'ed. It really does make sense to mic it.
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But...but...but...it colors the tone. It won't sound the same out front as it does to you. It might need to be EQed out front. There might be bleed. There might be too much low end, or not enough or too much midrange or not enough, or it may be muddy or too bright. But....but...but....IT MAY TAKE TIME AWAY FROM THE IMPORTANT INSTRUMENTS TO MAKE IT WORK IF YOU USE A MIC
 
#410
Marcus Willett said:
But...but...but...it colors the tone. It won't sound the same out front as it does to you. It might need to be EQed out front. There might be bleed. There might be too much low end, or not enough or too much midrange or not enough, or it may be muddy or too bright. But....but...but....IT MAY TAKE TIME AWAY FROM THE IMPORTANT INSTRUMENTS TO MAKE IT WORK IF YOU USE A MIC
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And if I have to turn a knob for anything but bass drum or guitar, I'm gonna be pissed!
 
#411
Marcus Willett said:
But...but...but...it colors the tone. It won't sound the same out front as it does to you. It might need to be EQed out front. There might be bleed. There might be too much low end, or not enough or too much midrange or not enough, or it may be muddy or too bright. But....but...but....IT MAY TAKE TIME AWAY FROM THE IMPORTANT INSTRUMENTS TO MAKE IT WORK IF YOU USE A MIC
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And Jesus might come back tomorrow, but I will still be on my tone quest. :)
 
#412
Pako said:
And Jesus might come back tomorrow, but I will still be on my tone quest. :)
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Silly bass players, acting like your precious tone matters or something. Just concentrate on your playing, tone is for the important instruments like guitar. As long as you are heard at all in some fashion in the house, its fine. Bass is just a neccesary evil to be dispatched as quickly and as easily as possible. ;)
 
#413
Marcus Willett said:
Silly bass players, acting like your precious tone matters or something. Just concentrate on your playing, tone is for the important instruments like guitar. As long as you are heard at all in some fashion in the house, its fine. Bass is just a neccesary evil to be dispatched as quickly and as easily as possible. ;)
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LOL, riiiiiiiiight., I mic just for looks.
 
#414
Pako said:
LOL, riiiiiiiiight., I mic just for looks.
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Well, OK as long as you don't do anything to your tone that deviates from the correct, established bass tone that is appropriate for all styles and genres then you're good. And make sure you don't make any changes to your (correct) tone after the gig starts, you might be mistaken for a guitarist.
 
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[ QUOTE=Marcus Willett;15308281]Well, OK as long as you don't do anything to your tone that deviates from the correct, established bass tone that is appropriate for all styles and genres then you're good. And make sure you don't make any changes to your (correct) tone after the gig starts, you might be mistaken for a guitarist.[/QUOTE]

Absolutely. Bass guitar is soooo far in the mix, working out and having a sharp hat is more important than actually playing. :)
 
#418
Pako said:
I've had good luck with my Beta 52. Plus it looks good.
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Beta52 response is very dependent on position, and very boomy if close.

http://recordinghacks.com/microphones/Shure/Beta-52A

If I was seeing one coming out of the bag to be mounted on a stand I'd be quivering. Close in it's boom city. I doubt you can move it out far enough to flatten the low end without bleed. So soundguy has to work to get the boom out and a mic stand bump would cause major reworking.

So how do you make it work?
 
#420
fokof said:
I bet you he was DI only !! :smug:



As a serious answer: if there were a 105db limitation , that's probably why the sound was awful. I could bet a lot of money that the stage alone was a lot more than 105 making the FOH mix impossible in theses circumstances.
My guess….
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It was not a limitation! And i said the sound was great on every band except this one.

They just followed the law on sound limits wich is 105dB in europe.
 
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