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Why no love for Ashdown?

I need to correct the record. In some previous posts in this thread, and possibly elsewhere, I indicated that Ashdown may be shipping the CTM100 and CTM300 with some new component values designed to change the behavior of the tone stack. Dave Green from Ashdown his informed me this is not accurate and the amps are shipping with the same component values they have always used. He did mention that there are a variety of ways the tone stack may be tuned, and he has worked with some famous artists to tailor the voicing of the tone stack a bit, but the amps were later returned to the factory tuning.

There is a CTM100 tone stack mod floating around that can be found on Talkbass and also Basschat that involves simply installing new Bass, Mid, and Treble potentiometers with different values. Both threads reference Mr Green and use the same pot values, although there is some apparent disagreement on A, B prefixes which designate whether the pots are linear or logarithmic taper. Unfortunately this can be a confusing subject because the industry has not standardized the prefixes. The schematic shows the original Bass and Treble pots are log taper and the Mid pot is lin taper. I can't say if the updated pots should have the same tapers.

I believe the CTM100 and CTM300 preamp share a common preamp circuit. After playing around with a tone stack simulator, I believe the mod will change both the way the tone stack behaves and also revoice the amp somewhat. Those who have done the mod report favorable results, but let's keep in mind tone is subjective. I suspect the mod will result in slightly less interaction between the tone controls and more of a built in mid scoop. The mod should be easy and reversible since the pots are attached with flying leads.

Mr Green also pointed out the the output sections of the CTM100 and CTM300, "are designed to produce very different results." Apparently the CTM100 is intended to saturate and distort fairly easily and the CTM300 is not. I have never played a CTM100, but his comment is consistent with a review thread here on Talkbass where the amp was compared to an Ampeg V4B reissue. I believe users consistently agreed the Ampeg had more clean headroom. In contrast, my CTM300 seems a bit louder and tighter than both of my vintage SVTs.
 
This guy apparently loves it so:
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Something I have noticed is that most modern amps that claim a "vintage" style of sound (I'm looking at you, ToneHammer) it translates as insta-mud. Not sure why that is, as there's plenty of old school amps that ring clear as a bell. Maybe Ashdown is one of these? My understanding is their schtick is the whole modern vintage deal.
I have a Tonehammer 500 and I respectfully disagree with your assessment. It can play very clear with the correct settings.
Ashdown I can't speak to.
 
I was surprised by all the component failures in the 15 pages so far and I gotta wonder - am I just lucky or did I abandon Ashdown at the right time by following what my gut told me?

I’ve got 4 pieces of Ashdown kit, all from the UK, all purchased new prior to the production move to China in the early 2000’s. A 1999 ABM320EVO2, a 2001 ABM500EVO2, a solid-state Electric-Blue 180 watt 12” combo and an ABM115 purchased with the 320. I replaced the driver in the EB180 but other than that I’ve had great service life from all of them and they’re all still being used regularly for rehearsals and gigs.

I’ve never had a failure in any of them and the ABM heads have hundreds of hours on them and continue to go strong. The 320 is one of the best “sounding” heads I own.

I have no interest in anything they’ve offered for a while although I’m intrigued by the Little Stubby, but really don’t have a purpose for it. Anything they produce in China is a no-go for me. Too much bad news especially with the way Ashdown rotates product offerings.
 
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I was surprised by all the component failures in the 15 pages so far and I gotta wonder - am I just lucky or did I abandon Ashdown at the right time by following what my gut told me?

I’ve got 4 pieces of Ashdown kit, all from the UK, all purchased new prior to the production move to China in the early 2000’s. A 1999 ABM320EVO2, a 2001 ABM500EVO2, a solid-state Electric-Blue 180 watt 12” combo and an ABM115 purchased with the 320. I replaced the driver in the EB180 but other than that I’ve had great service life from all of them and they’re all still being used regularly for rehearsals and gigs.

I’ve never had a failure in any of them and the ABM heads have hundreds of hours on them and continue to go strong. The 320 is one of the best “sounding” heads I own.

I have no interest in anything they’ve offered for a while although I’m intrigued by the Little Stubby, but really don’t have a purpose for it. Anything they produce in China is a no-go for me. Too much bad news especially with the way Ashdown rotates product offerings.

I bought my ABM Klystrom 400 late 1998 it must of done 6/700 gigs . It still chugs away.
 
Regarding Ashdown, I was told this: They are amps and cabs of great design and engineering, but terrible build quality.

A guy at a store that had about 50 percent of its stock of bass amps consisting of Ashdowns told me this: ''I had an old British-made Ashdown and it was fantastic. Then I actually bought one of the new ones we sell here and it had a poor sound. I took it apart and found out that the wiring was done rather haphazardly. I replaced the cables and put it back together, now it sounds abou 90 percent close to what I used to have.''
 
Looking around at various amplifier threads and rig threads, I have yet to see much in the way of love for Ashdown amplifiers, and I got to wondering why that is.

Is it something as simple as not having as big a market share stateside as they do in the UK? Is it the "bang for the buck" or lack of? Is it "roadworthiness" or lack of? Or is it that their tone is an acquired taste or just not suitable for some?

Recently I discovered the Ashdown Retroglide 800, which seemed really interesting, but it was quite a while between the release of the product and seeing anyone give any kind of a review on it. There still aren't many out there. I remember seeing the old Ashdown MAG line in years past and it seemed, based on reviews at least, that they had decent tone and moderate reliability, typical for most brands entry level stuff (e.g. GK Backline). Those that have bought into the ABM line seem to really like them, but there don't seem to be as many ABM owners as there are owners of the typical US domestic brands (GK, Ampeg, etc.).

So why is it that there doesn't appear to be love for Ashdown?
I had a ABM 4x10 a few years back. Solid. Blue speakers. Shoulda never sold it.
 
They are amps and cabs of great design and engineering, but terrible build quality.

This kinda stuff makes me sad and has scared me off of buying so many awesome pieces of gear. Seems like every single company has growing pains (or pains that stick around forever) when they move production to east Asia. I would love to try some Ashdown or Orange gear, but if it's all Chinese made stuff then why bother when I could get a similarly priced (or cheaper) rig made in America? GK, Mesa, some Aguilar, some Ampeg
 
This kinda stuff makes me sad and has scared me off of buying so many awesome pieces of gear. Seems like every single company has growing pains (or pains that stick around forever) when they move production to east Asia. I would love to try some Ashdown or Orange gear, but if it's all Chinese made stuff then why bother when I could get a similarly priced (or cheaper) rig made in America? GK, Mesa, some Aguilar, some Ampeg

There is UK made ashdown gear all over the place (most of the brand new offerings too)!
 
I would love to try some Ashdown or Orange gear, but if it's all Chinese made stuff then why bother when I could get a similarly priced (or cheaper) rig made in America? GK, Mesa, some Aguilar, some Ampeg

Two reasons -
Ashdown gear sounds different
I don't think the components are any different; just the board fabrication and assembly

I'm not sure if any of the components in MI amps are made in the states anymore regardless of where it was assembled.
(and I much prefer to support the US manufacturers although I still would have bought the GK and Ampeg amps I have if they were built off shore)
 
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I'm not sure if any of the components in MI amps are made in the states anymore regardless of where it was assembled.

Quick dictionary

A.''Made in X'' means that most of the key components need to be made in the same country. I think there is even some international legislation regarding this, but I bet companies are trying to skirt it as much as possible.
B. ''Assembled in X'' just needs to be put together in that country. Components may be from anywhere (yes it is usually China). Applies to all variations and synonyms of the word ''assembled''
C. ''Engineered in X'' or ''Designed in X'' = Made in China
 
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How much volume compared to the other band members?

Just checked and I posted that 6 yrs agoo_O. I sold my LB30 a few yrs back.
From memory I'd say with a decent efficient cab you could possible compete with a guitarist but it wouldn't be clean.
You'd struggle to compete with a drummer playing any decent volume IMO. Maybe with a quiet band, acoustic band, or coffee bar type gig would be ok.
 
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I'm from Italy so Ashdown has always been pretty present over here. My 1st 100w cab was an Ashdown, I sold it because gigging with a 100w transistor combo was not suitable for a Punk Rock band. I bought their chinese 410cab (MAG410T Deep) ad Little Giant 350W Transistor Head, gigged few times, before almost having the head on fire (it was my fault, I should have let the head breath more). I then traded an All American made Parts Jazz Bass with a Drophead 30W (valve) flip top combo, the tone is awesome, but I wouldn't gig with a 30kg/more than 65lbs in a rock scenario. I only used it to record a Christian "Pop Rock" song in Italian, I liked what I heard in the recording sessions, too bad the producer hid me deep down in the mix.

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Besides, I often find Ashdown rigs at the rehearsal spaces we rent. The tone is awesome when I have my rig behind my back but as I move a little I lose track of myself for the most part.
 

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