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Why so many folks selling Shuttle 9.0s?

#41
Any amp might or might not float ones boat and to that I say use what works for you. :)

To the power rating issue I say total bunk.

Lets take my Crest CA-9 and compare it to the QSC PLX 1804. The 1804 easily trumps the CA-9 in output power (measure it or listen) in stereo mode using one side into a 4 ohm load.

Now take that and compare one side of the 1804 with the Shuttle 9.0 with the gains matched. The output is the same. The 9.0 will push just as much power as the 1804's 900 watts into 4 ohms.

Now compare that to the MarkBass LMIII's output into either an 8 or 4 ohm load. The Shuttle 9.0 trumps in Spades. There is no disputing this, it's not even close. It's not like an opinion it's a fact.

As to some having a perceived loudness as compared to the MarkBass amps, the MB amps are louder out of the gate but push them and they run out of steam quickly, while the Shuttle 9.0 as the Tortuous just breezes right on by and keeps going.

As to Kens comments, he probably has a need for some more efficient cabs. That being said he has had a bone to pick with Genz Benz for some time now so I would take any comments directed at GB with a large chunk of salt. :hiding::D:p:bassist:

Smoothly stated or not a V6 while having many attributes is not quite the same as a V12.
YMMV
 
#42
It's funny how it goes with gear. I'm a Genz Benz fan and always will be. I keep two 3.0 Shuttle heads working frequently and a 6.0 as well. I'd love to get a 9.0 but I'll have to pick it up on the aftermarket.

Meanwhile, like a year ago, after reading TB about the Markbass LMII I saw one on sale near me in Brooklyn at a good price. So I got it and did nothing except A/B it for a year. I also put my beloved Fender J aside for the same time period and played my P and a Ray HH 5.

Then, on a hunch, I put the J through an EBS Valve Drive into the LM II into a Genz cab. The result kicked butt.

So that's what I'm playing right now for BG. Still using the Genz Benz Shuttle heads for my upright bass needs. I will catch up with the 9.0 when I have the funds and the price is right.
 
#43
As to the OT.

There has been and always will be a bit of gear flipping. There are a lot more followers than leaders.

It is difficult at times to weed through the swamp on here and get past the Whipped Cream to the Meat and Potatoes, to find what will suite your needs best.

Man did I wade through some baloney on here trying to get a tool to do a job. I fell prey to all the gushing some were doing and got one of the newer MB models with the "new disappearing limiter" only to realize as I started to use it, the thing could not get the job done for me.

I was hoodwinked with all the changing specs after the product had been delivered to me. My amps specs were changing faster than I could keep up. I slowly began to realize it's limitations and off to the flipper it went.

I realize the error of my ways and I'll not be hoodwinked again.

It's all good now as I have the tool I need to get the job done. I am getting the tone I seek and the massive output I require. I just do not think it is fair to state the 9.0 has less Power than advertised unless you can measure it and show it.
 
#44
Red Planet said:
Any amp might or might not float ones boat and to that I say use what works for you. :)

To the power rating issue I say total bunk.

Lets take my Crest CA-9 and compare it to the QSC PLX 1804. The 1804 easily trumps the CA-9 in output power (measure it or listen) in stereo mode using one side into a 4 ohm load.

Now take that and compare one side of the 1804 with the Shuttle 9.0 with the gains matched. The output is the same. The 9.0 will push just as much power as the 1804's 900 watts into 4 ohms.

Now compare that to the MarkBass LMIII's output into either an 8 or 4 ohm load. The Shuttle 9.0 trumps in Spades. There is no disputing this, it's not even close. It's not like an opinion it's a fact.

As to some having a perceived loudness as compared to the MarkBass amps, the MB amps are louder out of the gate but push them and they run out of steam quickly, while the Shuttle 9.0 as the Tortuous just breezes right on by and keeps going.

As to Kens comments, he probably has a need for some more efficient cabs. That being said he has had a bone to pick with Genz Benz for some time now so I would take any comments directed at GB with a large chunk of salt. :hiding::D:p:bassist:

Smoothly stated or not a V6 while having many attributes is not quite the same as a V12.
YMMV
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So you think the 500w of the LMIII is a fair comparison to 900 of the shuttle 9???

I dont.

I've owned a shuttle 6.0 and shuttle max 6.0. Great amp, great company, but their 'loudness' factor has never been their strong point in my opinion. I'd agree with those that say the 9 isnt THAT loud. I have peavey DPC 1000, and though its 100w more than the 9.0 at 1000w bridged at 8 ohms, that sucker will rupture your spleen its so loud.
 
#45
::::BASSIST:::: said:
So you think the 500w of the LMIII is a fair comparison to 900 of the shuttle 9???

I dont.
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No I do not. There is no comparison. There are some major tonal differences between the two and the MarkBass might be the tone you seek but as far as output power, not even close. The MarkBass in either 8 or 4 ohms is easily outrun by the 9.0. And yes they are rated different (for a reason). The 500 watt Micros can not keep up with the 9.0 in output power. No way.:)
 
#46
Thats just my point. One is rated at 500w and the other is 900w. Why even compare the two in terms of output power? The LMIII compared to a shuttle 6.0 is a much better comparison and in my experience the LMIII is definitely louder than the shuttle 6.0 even though its rated 100w less.

In terms of power you are comparing apples to oranges re: the LMIII vs shuttle 9. At least on paper. I havent heard a 9.0 so I cannot say for sure.
 
#49
Red Planet said:
This is nice to know as I am awaiting the arival of my Emanuel Wifiler Hybrid with a Gage installed.

What pickup do you use?
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We tried a few basses with the 9.0 using an HT112, Epi UL110,
and Markbass 121P combo. My friend uses a Realist. The 9.0
sounded great with everything, especially when using a 10meg
ohm buffer pre.

At the moment, I'm using a Full Circle. I just got a Planet
Wave (bridge slot) pickup that I like a lot, but might have to
give up. My bridge wings are weird shaped so it looks like I'd
need a new bridge. I'm not a big fan of the Realist. Its a bit
too old school thumpy for me. I like more bridge than body.
Having said that, one of my fav's was mixing a Realist and
Underwood through a Ravenlabs blender. Lots o wires, but the
sound was killer.

I just have to say. Roland Wilfer is one of the nicest, most
humble, talented guys I've met in the music industry.
His family has been bass makers for almost 100 years, and he's
as good as any of them. Quality quality quality.
 
#50
the talkbass gear turnover phenomenon is one of the reasons that anytime someone asks "what should i get?" especially when it come to first rig, i tell them used, because one of us needs the new neon whiz-bang atom-o-matic amp and will sell our "so last year" hyper-plasma wonder amp dirt cheap.

:D
 
#51
Pilgrim said:
I'm not sure what you folks are talking about. I checked Ebay this evening and did a search for "Genz Benz Shuttle 9" and found NOT ONE used Shuttle 9.0. In fact, I found very few used Shuttle series heads at all. I see no evidence that the OP's premise is true at all.
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I think they move quickly here and on other gear sites - hence no need to incur eBay fees or deal with the accompanying bureaucracy. For most of us here, eBay is a last resort/necessary evil.
 
#52
Personatech said:
I think they move quickly here and on other gear sites - hence no need to incur eBay fees or deal with the accompanying bureaucracy. For most of us here, eBay is a last resort/necessary evil.
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+1 Also, as a few have posted, the very premise of the OP is not quite correct, since you have to take the denominator (units sold) into account. I don't see anything that suggests the Shuttle 9's are being put up for sale more than any other piece of gear. If anything, it is rather low, given what I assume is the very large number of units sold. When you see a few Glock Heart Rocks or DB750's for sale, that is probably a significant percent of total units. Ten or fifteen Shuttle 6's or LMII's for sale... nothing compared to the hundreds and hundreds and thousands (probably) sold.

Per my post above, the only systematic reason I've heard from a number of my peers who have tried these and moved on is that some 'lead sled' users tried these heads hoping for a lightweight solution to their high volume needs, and didn't find it. That makes sense. My 1200 watt Walter Woods in no way kept up with a CA9 either. Otherwise, it is a solid performer to me that is at the upper end of volume compared to other micro's (as is the TC RH450 based on my A/Bing).
 
#54
::::BASSIST:::: said:
Thats just my point. One is rated at 500w and the other is 900w. Why even compare the two in terms of output power? The LMIII compared to a shuttle 6.0 is a much better comparison and in my experience the LMIII is definitely louder than the shuttle 6.0 even though its rated 100w less.

In terms of power you are comparing apples to oranges re: the LMIII vs shuttle 9. At least on paper. I havent heard a 9.0 so I cannot say for sure.
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We are in agreemnt. Go back and look at Kens post. He made the statement that the 9.0 had no more loudness than any of the other micro heads into 4 ohms. This is a misguided untrue statement. That is why I made the comparisons. You can have differing opinions on tone, features, etc... but when you start making untrue staements that can be measured and disproved, I call foul.
 
#55
Red Planet said:
We are in agreemnt. Go back and look at Kens post. He made the statement that the 9.0 had no more loudness than any of the other micro heads into 4 ohms. This is a misguided untrue statement. That is why I made the comparisons. You can have differing opinions on tone, features, etc... but when you start making untrue staements that can be measured and disproved, I call foul.
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RP, did you measure them?
 
#56
Pilgrim said:
I'm not sure what you folks are talking about. I checked Ebay this evening and did a search for "Genz Benz Shuttle 9" and found NOT ONE used Shuttle 9.0. In fact, I found very few used Shuttle series heads at all. I see no evidence that the OP's premise is true at all.
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I did a global search on CL (all CL's) and came up with the same results. While I'm not a fan of class D micros, GB builds a quality product and I don't see any evidence that people are flipping them.
 
#57
Pilgrim said:
I'm not sure what you folks are talking about. I checked Ebay this evening and did a search for "Genz Benz Shuttle 9" and found NOT ONE used Shuttle 9.0. In fact, I found very few used Shuttle series heads at all. I see no evidence that the OP's premise is true at all.
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A quick run through the classifieds here at TB will turn up a few. (and one guy who has sold 3 so far) Not a big deal though, like Ken said, they probably sold thousands!
 
#59
B String said:
We tried a few basses with the 9.0 using an HT112, Epi UL110,
and Markbass 121P combo. My friend uses a Realist. The 9.0
sounded great with everything, especially when using a 10meg
ohm buffer pre.

At the moment, I'm using a Full Circle. I just got a Planet
Wave (bridge slot) pickup that I like a lot, but might have to
give up. My bridge wings are weird shaped so it looks like I'd
need a new bridge. I'm not a big fan of the Realist. Its a bit
too old school thumpy for me. I like more bridge than body.
Having said that, one of my fav's was mixing a Realist and
Underwood through a Ravenlabs blender. Lots o wires, but the
sound was killer.

I just have to say. Roland Wilfer is one of the nicest, most
humble, talented guys I've met in the music industry.
His family has been bass makers for almost 100 years, and he's
as good as any of them. Quality quality quality.
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This gives me some comfort to know it works well for UB. Not a lot of folks out there using the 9.0 yet for DB. I am supposed to have it Saturday and will know shortly how this will work.

I had attempted to use a mic with my other DB into the 9.0 but that did not work very well and makes for no judgments for any of it.

I hope I chose the right pickup. I'm playing Swing Booji Wooji Jazzy Blues and looking for that old school sound.
 

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