Yes I did. Not for TB but for little ol me.
My challenge to anyone when making claims that a manufacturers specs are not what are stated is show me the proof. No proof no truth.
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Why so many folks selling Shuttle 9.0s?
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Yes I did. Not for TB but for little ol me.
My challenge to anyone when making claims that a manufacturers specs are not what are stated is show me the proof. No proof no truth.
Although it wasnt scientific, I owned a 9.0 for a few days before it went back.
I have a LM3, and through an 8 ohm load, hardly any difference in volume, and the Markbass was still prettier to my ears. This is all IMO though, and my tonal preferences.
IMO, the best ultra light amp is the Markbass F1/F500.
If we are talking 6lbs +, then LM3 and the RH450.
I have a LM3, and through an 8 ohm load, hardly any difference in volume, and the Markbass was still prettier to my ears. This is all IMO though, and my tonal preferences.
IMO, the best ultra light amp is the Markbass F1/F500.
If we are talking 6lbs +, then LM3 and the RH450.
From experience I'll confess. I have a practically brand new Shuttle 9.0 on the list now for 700. Basically what I paid less the fickn tax. I bought on hype and thought I'd be getting rid of my second 6.0 and SVT CL. Not the case. I'm keeping both. The 9.0 definitely is head and heels louder than the 6.0 through the asme cab, but not as good "comparitively speaking" as my old SVT CL. So I don't really need it laying around or before it becomes "unnew".
Why not return it? I could since I'm still within the 30 day window, but I don't like to do that for two reasons. First, once I've ordered a piece of gear from a small retailer I don't like to use something then leave them with the burden of trying to get rid of it (I don't deal with the "Centers" out there). The economy suck bad enough so i don't want to do any more harm to a small shop that always gives me great deals on everything I purchase. Lastly, the economy sucks! (oh, I said that) That means someone on TB gets a good deal, GB makes out, the retailer makes out and I'm left whole! Everything I've sold here has been a damn good deal.
I'd much reather deal with the TBers of the world that are a lot more greatful than the CLer and bayers. In the end, I got to test, first hand, a great piece of equipment and make my own opinions, and give someone else a chance to do the same.
Why not return it? I could since I'm still within the 30 day window, but I don't like to do that for two reasons. First, once I've ordered a piece of gear from a small retailer I don't like to use something then leave them with the burden of trying to get rid of it (I don't deal with the "Centers" out there). The economy suck bad enough so i don't want to do any more harm to a small shop that always gives me great deals on everything I purchase. Lastly, the economy sucks! (oh, I said that) That means someone on TB gets a good deal, GB makes out, the retailer makes out and I'm left whole! Everything I've sold here has been a damn good deal.
I'd much reather deal with the TBers of the world that are a lot more greatful than the CLer and bayers. In the end, I got to test, first hand, a great piece of equipment and make my own opinions, and give someone else a chance to do the same.
i've owned the 3.0, 6.0 and demoed the 9.0 and always felt they were light on the watts. all IMHO of course 
Can you clarify for me. (I'm a bit dense) Are you saying
the 9.0 is more, or less powerful than stated by Genz.
My personal experience is that the 9.0 is slightly more
powerful than the markbass heads at 8 ohms. The big
difference for me is the lack of top end limiting on the
9.0. It has MUCH more dynamic range.
I am saying the Shuttle 9.0 is putting out 900 watts at 4 ohms/500 watts at 8 ohms and the other micros are putting out 500 watts and less.
It takes a multiplication by a factor of 10 to double the decibels of an amplifier all other things being equal which they rarely are.
Misconceptions and subjection's are bouncing all over this thread.
Perception is reality until reality bites you in the patooty.
But I think I have said enough to keep the field balanced.
Cary on.
I think you're giving a big complement to the other amps.
I believe they are all rated 400 at 8 ohms. (I think)
Again, I find the volume just fine with the other heads,
It's the highs and lows where I hear the difference.
And I'm sure I don't play as loud as many other TB'ers.
I believe they are all rated 400 at 8 ohms. (I think)
Again, I find the volume just fine with the other heads,
It's the highs and lows where I hear the difference.
And I'm sure I don't play as loud as many other TB'ers.
Got my new Shuttle 9.0 today and went to practice early where I compared to my Alembic F2B+ CA9 and QSC 1804 rigs. I have to say I was very impressed. The GB really held its own and I didn't feel like I was missing out not not using my benchmark lead-sled CA9. The net of it is I think the Shuttle 9.0 is a great amp...a bit louder than my 6.0--no clip light once LOUD...and in the mix indistinguishable from my heavier power amps. Gonna sell the CA9 and Shuttle 6.0 and keep the QSC as a back-up and for the occasional PA needs. Incidentally, I run the 9.0 pretty much flat into an Berg AE410 and use my Sadowsky bass to control the eq. Lot of variables here, I know. But, for me, the Sadowsky bass is the Swiss army knife and I just want the amp to recreate the tone I'm sending to it. I don't feel like I'm lacking anything sending it to the GB...just over 40 pounds. The GB 9.0 is plenty loud for all applications. If only it went to 2 Ohms, but that's what the QSC's for. Don't split hairs. Don't A/B it solo, when the song can't even tell. Play in a band! The GB is great enough...and really great at that!
Me too.
At one time the 800rb was like a god send for everyone who needed a break from hauling around their SVT head. The 800rb was commonly seen perched on top of a 810. Now it seems that 300watts is scoffed at as marginal for gigging. The 800rb is not an amp with deep low end, so it would seem to be quite similar to the 3.0 design.
After playing a 6.0 for a long time in a music store I plugged into a 3.0. There was something in it's tone that was more familiar. maybe less glassiness in the top end due to no tube.
If the 3.0 has every bit of gusto/umph in it's tank for it's rated 300watts, it just may be a much more useful head than the small gig micro portable that its pigeon holed as.
The 500 watt MarkBass amps are 500 watts into 4 ohms and 300 watts into 8 ohms. The TC Amp is 450 watts into 4 ohms and 250 into 8 ohms IIRC.
The human ear can not distinguish a loudness difference between 450 and 500 watts.
My band is loud. Our Drummer was a rock and roll machine in a past life. Our Keyboardist uses a full Leslie for his Hammond and a power amp with two 2x12 + horn cabs for his electric piano. Our Guitarist uses a 61 Bassman into a cab or his custom built Tweed amp that puts out around 50 watts. In this particular mess I use the Shuttle 9.0 into a Golight 1x15 at 8 ohms pushing 500 watts. I easily keep up and rarely do I turn the master above 12:00. One of the guys looked over at me the other day and said "man I just can not believe all that massive sound is coming out of that little amp".
On occasion I play in another band using the 9.0 into an Ampeg 8x10 at 900 watts. We play some rather heavy modern rock. I'm usually up against a couple Marshall half stacks cranked with one very loud Drummer and they often complain I'm too loud. In this situation I rarely turn the master above 12:00 as well.
As to the measurements I should have documented all of it. I was just fooling around with one of my electronics whiz friends and we decided to take some measurements of some of these amps. RMX 2450, CA-9, 1804, 9.0, LMIII and later on a different date an 72 Ampeg V4B. He did all the measuring and I did all the watching. The results were eye opening to say the least. Measuring the gear allows you to see a much bigger difference than your ear can differentiate.
Comparing 'published' wattage specs is a losing game. Companies use different testing procedures, and most wattage specs are pegged to performance at 1K I believe, which tells you VERY little about how many watts the amp is putting out down low where it counts.
For example, my RH450 is quite a bit louder and punchier than my LMII, even though the LMII technically has slightly higher published wattage specs. A Mesa M6 will bury both of them (and the publishes wattage spec is not that much more... 600 watts into 4ohms). It's all about wattage delivery through the entire frequency spectrum, THD, voicing of the pre, hi pass filtering, etc., etc. It is also key IMO and IME to realize that different testing procedures make wattage comparisons between two different companies almost impossible (reactive versus non-reactive testing, etc.).
I'm sure my Walter Woods, for example, was putting out 1200 watts at 1K at a certain, undocumented level of distortion
, however, my Eden WT400 I had at the time spanked it down low, probably due to the hi pass filtering and power delivery down there.Per the GK800 question above, those amps are meaty and loud, but have an extremely attenuated deep low end versus most other amps out in the market currently. They still sound beautiful for what they are 'snarly and grindy', and can sound louder than some of the micro's, but that's more due to a rather distorted (in a good way) upper mid voicing that slices through a mix, and a very tight low end that doesn't use a lot of power to push the deep lows like, for example, the TecAmp Puma heads. Again, pure published marketing 'watt to watt' comparisons won't really tell you the story. That being said, I think anyone who digs the GK800 would be pretty happy with the 'tight bright' Shuttle 6.0.
I do think your experience with the 9 was unusual. I can't imagine how loud you must be playing! I find most of the small heads to get to amazing volume levels with a decent, relatively high SPL 4ohm 410.
IMO and IME!
I've seen you mention this before and I do not understand.
The first time I ran my Shuttle 9.0 into my 4 ohm Golight 4x10 I had the amp turned up kind of loud (around 3:00 IIRC) and I thought I was going to blow the speaker cones through the front grill of my cab.
If you are having to dime the amp something is not right, cabs, instrument, gain levels, cables etc.....
Pushing that amp at those levels IMO would be causing severe limiting/amp clipping/speaker over-driving and God only knows what else.
okcrum
in your chest
10x = 10 dB
3 dB, not 10, is double the power in every time-space continuum I frequent.
