Worship Bass Pedalboards

[projectapollo]

Have just pulled the trigger on a Jad Freer Capo… it seems to get a lot of love so let's see if it will knock the Tonehammer off my board

Awesome.

 

[JeffTCS]

Do you use a sustain pedal? For songs that switch from bass to synth I find it's way easier to use the sustian pedal.

Do they make a sustain type pedal for bass that's easily controlled like on a piano or something that I could use to emulate a synth with my bass so the note doesn't die out?

 

[MikoFX]

Do they make a sustain type pedal for bass that's easily controlled like on a piano or something that I could use to emulate a synth with my bass so the note doesn't die out?

Gamechanger Audio Plus Sustain Pedal
PLUS Pedal - Gamechanger Audio

 

[NickyBass]

Would an EHX Freeze pedal work for that too?

 

[kirkdickinson]

Gamechanger Audio Plus Sustain Pedal
PLUS Pedal - Gamechanger Audio

Looks like it does something similar to the EHX Freeze pedal. I wonder how it compares?

 

[JeffTCS]

Gamechanger Audio Plus Sustain Pedal
PLUS Pedal - Gamechanger Audio

I guess the next question is has anybody used one and is it as cool as it seems to be?

 

[kirkdickinson]

Found an article comparing them. https://reverb.com/news/hi-lo-pass-gamechanger-plus-vs-ehx-freeze

 

[JeffTCS]

Would an EHX Freeze pedal work for that too?

It might, though I'm not really trying to click off and on everytime I hit a note, doesn't seem like that would be smooth and controlled but I guess I'm also not familiar with the freeze either.

 

[wolffire99]

On board re-configuring: I have been torturing myself with how to "finalize" my small 18" board. I've self-imposed that size limit. I've recently had the insight that it's OK if my pedal collection exceeds the board capacity and just to customize the pedal selection each week. With the easy to peel off dual-lock, I can reconfigure the board in 30 minutes. Pedal selecting is part of the fun in preparing, now. Paradigm shift for me.

Yesterday's communion set was less Bethel/Elevation and more traditional, so the P-Bass with the low drive Origin BassRig SV sat in the mix perfectly, sounded lovely, and was all I really needed.

Switching out pedals due to size restriction also helps quell my pedal acquisition syndrome a bit.

 

[NickyBass]

I think the Freeze can be set up to act as a sustain pedal where you can press and hold, then release.
I'm not sure though. I have one. I should know. But I don't. The best I can do is 'think' that's how it works.

 

[b0b4f377]

So, I spent some time at church last night, primarily for rehearsals but also to compare the Mesa Subway Di to the Tonehammer Di.
A very interesting evening with some quite surprising results, I was expecting the Mesa to walk all over the Tonehammer…
I played the first few songs with the Mesa and then swapped to the Tonehammer.
The in ear tone both flat with no AGS and with AGS engaged and my settings was much easier to live with and dare I say it more musical and more mix friendly.

I stayed behind after rehearsal and did some A/B work with them playing around with different HPF settings on the desk and realised these two boxes are poles apart sound wise.

The Subway DI
Lower DI signal by around 8 db I reckon. Massive bass and low mid push compare to the Aguilar. A very immediate forceful slam when playing notes and what I can only describe as a hardness to the sound. Maybe similarities to the Carbine?
The Tonehammer DI by comparison in either mode sounds a lot softer and friendlier. It is warm but also crystal clear and with the AGS engaged and my settings, sounds perfect in a mix. It is well publicised that the Tonehammer DI has a significant roll off in the low and high end with AGS engaged, what was interesting was just how much sub low end content still comes through. The difference between HPF set at 30hz and 40hz was significant and I found myself being really happy with it at 30hz. The Mesa by comparison had to be rolled off from 40hz to give anything like the clarity to the low end that the Tonehammer delivered.
Maybe the 18v helps, maybe it is just a voicing thing or even a combination of the 2.
Anyway, ramble over, hope some of you find that interesting or helpful.
My conclusion is that for me and for the mix at our church the Tonehammer DI is simply in a different league, it is still after all these years a stunning piece of kit that delivers the goods and more than holds its own against newer shinier trendier boxes.

I'd be interested in knowing your knob settings were on the Mesa. I have one to use as my primary DI (haven't played live yet), and I've never played around with the THDI at all. I do know the Subway DI has a built in HPF at 30hz, which you say that you had to go to 40hz on the house board to notice a difference?

 

[IanA]

I'd be interested in knowing your knob settings were on the Mesa. I have one to use as my primary DI (haven't played live yet), and I've never played around with the THDI at all. I do know the Subway DI has a built in HPF at 30hz, which you say that you had to go to 40hz on the house board to notice a difference?

On the Mesa I ran it flat initially and also experimented with a small boost to the voice control.
It really is a seriously powerful filter with some serious low end boost even quite early on.
Great preamp just not for me.
The 30hz HPF is great, I just felt the need to tighten the lows up a bit more for our building. The thing that really bugged me was the high end, there is a lot of treble extension that is difficult to tame. The Tonehammer on the other hand in standard mode has really sweet highs. I just think it is much easier to live with for my tastes.
Let's see how the Capo compared when that lands on Wednesday…

 

[oysterphish]

I'd be interested in knowing your knob settings were on the Mesa. I have one to use as my primary DI (haven't played live yet), and I've never played around with the THDI at all. I do know the Subway DI has a built in HPF at 30hz, which you say that you had to go to 40hz on the house board to notice a difference?

Do you happen to know if the THDI has built in HPF?

 

[b0b4f377]

On the Mesa I ran it flat initially and also experimented with a small boost to the voice control.
It really is a seriously powerful filter with some serious low end boost even quite early on.
Great preamp just not for me.
The 30hz HPF is great, I just felt the need to tighten the lows up a bit more for our building. The thing that really bugged me was the high end, there is a lot of treble extension that is difficult to tame. The Tonehammer on the other hand in standard mode has really sweet highs. I just think it is much easier to live with for my tastes.
Let's see how the Capo compared when that lands on Wednesday…

Awesome, thank you! I have a SushiBox More right in front of the Subway with the thought being that it will sweeten everything up. So far it's sounded great at home, and taming highs hasn't been an issue, but I am eager (and mindful now) to see how it is outside the house. Cheers!

 

[b0b4f377]

Do you happen to know if the THDI has built in HPF?

I don't, but I'm also not seeing any mention in a cursory Google search. I only really found out about the Subway having it when I was researching adding a HPF to my board - Mesa listed it in the manual. I am not seeing the same for the Tone Hammer DI, unfortunately.

 

[g4string]

Do you happen to know if the THDI has built in HPF?

no, there is no hpf on the THDI….now on the TH amp, the drive knob starts to work kinda like an HPF, which is one of the cool features of the amp. The interplay between the drive and gain knobs is pretty sweet. I'm have ZERO clue why they didn't include this on the pedal.

 

[IanA]

Do you happen to know if the THDI has built in HPF?

I don't think it does but in AGS mode it does roll off the lows and the highs in a way that is quite similar to a cab sim.
To be fair if you are running direct HPF is mostly a sound desk function as the sound engineer will use it to clean up the mix in the room.

 

[FenrirofOld]

no, there is no hpf on the THDI….now on the TH amp, the drive knob starts to work kinda like an HPF, which is one of the cool features of the amp. The interplay between the drive and gain knobs is pretty sweet. I'm have ZERO clue why they didn't include this on the pedal.

If memory serves me correctly the Pedal predates the head. So essentially the separate Drive knob was a feature added to the head.

The AGS engaged on the pedal is the equivalent of having the Drive knob on the Tone Hammer head turned to 3 o'clock. It will be interesting to see if Aguilar releases any updated models of stuff soon. Or what their future releases will look like.

 

[IanA]

If memory serves me correctly the Pedal predates the head. So essentially the separate Drive knob was a feature added to the head.

The AGS engaged on the pedal is the equivalent of having the Drive knob on the Tone Hammer head turned to 3 o'clock. It will be interesting to see if Aguilar releases any updated models of stuff soon. Or what their future releases will look like.

I hope they keep the stying of the older stuff, not sure I like the post Korg makeover that some of the pedals have already had.

 

[g4string]

I dont. I dont like it all