Hey I appreciate that @projectapollo. Gonna talk with pastor and see what he says. Hopefully we have a spare cable run and ready to go or if not they will put one it. Pastors wife is WL so she has some pull in that regard lol. And if not ill check more into this a/b deal. Are you using Sub25 or 37?
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Worship Bass Pedalboards
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I have one just like this but have been looking for something more stable with the locks at the end of the top bars.I'm borrowing (stole) my wife's keyboard stand to use with my Messenger. It was actually mine when I used it with my Yamaha DX7, which is now display only since the internal battery died.
Since I do portrait photography, I've invested in a lot of "Articulating Arm's" to use with my camera gear. They work great.. and are pretty cheap through amazon. I'm using it for my iPad stand... clamped on to my keyboard stand. I don't have my Moog Messenger yet, but this is my stand setup I'm going with....
I worked out my pedalboard to use an A/B switch to bypass all my pedals and output from my KHAN to mixer when I use the Messenger. So... both my bass and the Moog goes into one channel on my mixer... Hopefully this setup will workout so I can feel my bass, and my future Messenger through the bassboard. Tested the signal last night and seems to work.
I've been using "Articulating Arm's" with photography gear that are much heavier than an 10.2 inch iPad, but I usually use them with heavier duty stands used for lighting and cameras.. like C-Stands. While articulating arm's work well when everything is screwed tight, the keyboard stand I'm using is inexpensive, and not as stable and will shake when playing on the keyboard... but it's most likely the stand shaking more than the articulating arm. It's good enough for the 10.2 inch iPad I'm using... and in my mind... it just seems easier to deal with than taking an additional floor stand. However... things could change if I like the Messenger, and use it regularly. I'm open to see what everyone uses, and see if makes sense to go that direction.
I have a Sub 25, one at home and I donated one to the church (to avoid lugging and set up). The church rig has two dedicated XLR's so they handle setting levels and mixing the bass and synth. I use the Boss LS-2 at home to blend my pedal board and Moog into my headphone mixer.
RCO Pedals has built me two clones that are excellent. A 29Pedals EUNA clone and a Sanford & Sonny Bluebeard Fuzz clone.I built a Lightspeed clone from a PCB a few years ago. Probably could find someone that could put two in one box.
Mine has top jacks and sits on a spare board. Had my son paint the enclosure.
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RCO Pedals/Ryan makes high quality pedals at a reasonable price.
He makes a wide variety of pedals including fuzzes, distortions, ODs, and modulation pedals and he is constantly branching out and trying new things.
I own three of his pedals and he is working on two or three more for me.
The pedals I have in my possession that I use constantly include:
An RCO Grizzled Grime (A clone of the Dunwich/Magic Pedals Olde Dirty Bass) - because I'm a nerd, I call this pedal the "Eldritch Filthy Depths" or EFD for short - this pedal is nearly always on for me:
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He makes a wide variety of pedals including fuzzes, distortions, ODs, and modulation pedals and he is constantly branching out and trying new things.
I own three of his pedals and he is working on two or three more for me.
The pedals I have in my possession that I use constantly include:
An RCO Grizzled Grime (A clone of the Dunwich/Magic Pedals Olde Dirty Bass) - because I'm a nerd, I call this pedal the "Eldritch Filthy Depths" or EFD for short - this pedal is nearly always on for me:
- Apr 1, 2000
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- Endorsing Artist: Roscoe Guitars, DR Strings, Aguilar Amplification
This. If FOH has eq'd your bass, the EQ will inevitably not work with your synth - the sounds are just too different. I often use a longer release time on the synth to make the transition to E bass, and a quick cutoff would be very jarring to the listener as well. Two lines is the only way to fly, as far as I'm concerned.
We do it this way. One channel for the bass, one for the bass synth.
Makes sense... and open and planning to run 2 separate channels if needed. The A/B is mostly for my bassboard. I have a X32 at home... which most of the churches I play at uses. One uses a Wing and another uses Yamaha digital mixer, but the PEQ looks the same. I'll probably find out sooner than later to separate the channels when I EQ at home.
Just wondering do you have sound engineers that EQ for effects? After they set my levels, I'll cycle through presets I use, subsonic, BMS, and dirt, and I don't really see them changing much after levels. I'm always curious how sound engineers PEQ's my bass with effects. Most of the time, I see a low cut, and pretty much flat with minor freq cuts/gain. I understand FOH is different than what I set up in my IEM's. Since I'm wireless... I'm going to setup the Messenger by the mixer and A/B from the back and chat with the sound engineers if they prefer separate channels and go from there... which I presume will most likely be the case. Appreciate the all the input on the subject... I'll be testing separate channels on my X32 so I'll have that option ready if I plan on using it at churches I'm scheduled at.
We don't have a sound engineer unfortunately. We have a guy that can push a fader up or down. That's about the extent of our engineering
I didn't see it in his feed. Maybe it was a story that disappeared? If you run across it again, I'd love to see a photo of it.
In this interview, he mentions that Nick Edwards turned him onto the Lightspeed. Watch around 1:09 to 1:14.
Yeah it was a 24hr story and just happened to catch the board in the background. I could make out the microsynth, noble, lightspeed, and alpha/omega.
- Apr 1, 2000
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- Endorsing Artist: Roscoe Guitars, DR Strings, Aguilar Amplification
Typically, they'll EQ the bass to help it sit and deal with room anomalies. Most of them trust me to know what I want the bass to sound like, so after minor tweaking, they'll let the effects "speak" the way I want them to. For the bass synth, I ask for it to be run without compression, and with a *slight* low cut (we have a room that can absolutely BARK on a low F#, so we aim to tame that. We're running a Yamaha PM7, so I get my in ears prior to any processing whatsoever, but anyone can ask for any instrument in one of (I think) 5 places in the signal chain.
The Moog coming in hotter or just deeper and so different in character than the Bass will also be jarring for your band mates on inears.
They need to set the level in their inears to each instrument.
They need to set the level in their inears to each instrument.
I really wish that our church would call in some pros and have our sanctuary sound treated, install new pa and monitors and get every instrument eq'd and the room set properly. I know that would not be cheap and it will never happen but that's still my hope for one day.
I'm on a committee at our church to get a new sound system in place with acoustic treatment. They came out and set up some equipment and took some measurements and are giving us recommendations for a couple different options. We have a modernish shape, like a half octagon, so the sound is kinda tricky with lots of reverb.
It's low B-C# for our sanctuary, we have a tight cut at 90hz to help. Below B sounds thin in comparison without it.
That makes perfect sense... when thinking of IEM personal mixes of other band members. I still want to try the A/B to one channel at church... just to hear it through FOH, but from the perspective on band members preferred personal mixes... That's a really good reason on having separate channels. I can assign an extra mix-buss to feel the synth or bass on my bassboard, and would eliminate the A/B switch pedal. I like that idea a lot, and prefer it... but I'll to convince some of the church's sound engineers to give me a second mix-bus...
If it doesn't work out, I'll just forget feeling the Moog on the bassboard.
Looked through my closet, and found all my old unused pedals, and I think I have a solution to separate my bass and Moog messenger into 2 separate channels... with both going to my bassboard. I must feel that BASS!!!! hahaha
The change was using a A/B/Y instead of the A/B pedal I was tested with. There is a reason why I don't sell my old gear... LOL..
I'm using my decade old SansAmp DI in flat settings... that I'll try to use from the Moog to my X32 mixer XLR input. I have 2 - 1/4 inch from Sans DI and Khan out into the A/B {merged}... then output Y to the sub-amp into my bassboard.
It works... but only tested with my bass since I don't have the Moog yet... I did get a call yesterday that they will be shipping it out today, or sometime this week.
The change was using a A/B/Y instead of the A/B pedal I was tested with. There is a reason why I don't sell my old gear... LOL..
I'm using my decade old SansAmp DI in flat settings... that I'll try to use from the Moog to my X32 mixer XLR input. I have 2 - 1/4 inch from Sans DI and Khan out into the A/B {merged}... then output Y to the sub-amp into my bassboard.
It works... but only tested with my bass since I don't have the Moog yet... I did get a call yesterday that they will be shipping it out today, or sometime this week.
