All of those are great and I really like the tone you get in the Tin Man video shared previously. I loved the message too. In looking at the chain listed in your sig (MXR Bass Oct Dlx> Darkglass B3K> Zoom MS-60B> Aguilar Agro> Aguilar Tone Hammer> Ashdown ABM 500 w/ Custom 2x12), and reading the post about the zoom setting, it is easy to see that you like that pedal. I have been thinking about an Agro pedal and love DarkGlass stuff in general. I started to think about overdrive when I was talking to a fellow bass player about Call Upon the Lord and he said it sounded like an overdriven tone with lots of compression when the bass played. Synth, well thats another deal. My current chain is NM2>Super Symmetry>Octamizer/Chorusaurus/and/or Envelope>REDDI>FOH. OD not so much, to be fair the NM2 is OD/Fuzz, it just doesn't quite do that "growl" that I hear in your tone.
So, my question is, in relation to that growl you were getting on the first song in the Tin Man video, would you say that is the zoom primarily or the B3K or the Agro? Some combination thereof?
BassJuju, thanks for the kind words! As far as that first tune it's definitely a bit of a combo of things. The biggest factor in my tone (as far as pedals go) is actually the Zoom and the Tone Hammer. If you listen to the other songs in that set, that's what you are hearing (including the Tin Man song). On the Zoom I've tweaked the SVT setting that's really popular in the MS-60B patch thread, I'll post it at the bottom. Then the tone hammer has a slight boost to the treble to account for string age, and then a healthy boost in the mids with the mid freq set to about 2 o'clock. Then the B3k is added on top of that for the growly distortion you hear in the first tune. I usually keep the drive and blend below noon and the level to unity. Grunt switch and attack are both on as well.
As far as the B3k and Agro compare, the B3k is more bitey and defined while the Agro has more of the blown-out speaker type of distortion. Modern vs vintage respectively. My Agro has blown power supply (oopsie ran too many V into it), and I've enjoyed my B3K so much that in over a year I haven't fixed or replaced the Agro.
*** NOW, the BIGGEST, most important factor to my tone is mids. The tone has taken a while to get used to direct and in my ears, but it's a very balanced, flat tone with a boost in the 400-1khz midrange. Especially with 2 guitars and keys and synths and vocals... this frequency is key in our room to get any cut. It works really well in the mix as well. I let the room and FOH make up the bass they need. Our room is very boomy naturally with our system, so it doesn't take much to be overwhelming.
I hope that helps! Let me know if you have more questions.
Here is my patch on the Zoom MS-60B:
160 Comp: Thrsh -10 Ratio 4.6 Gain 10 Knee set to Hard Level to unity (33 for me). Obviously there's a bit of personal choice you can put into your comp settings. That goes into...
ZNR: Noise reducer, we have a lot of power on stage and it makes a little buzz a lottle buzz. I use this, but I will swap this "pedal" out for other effects as needed. Next....
B-MAN: Bass 1 Mid 2 Trebl 1 Mid_F 630Hz Gain 31 Level 49 (Unity) Deep On Cab AG 8x10 Mix 0 (With the mix at 0 you can leave the cab blank. Occasionally I'll swap it with the cab on the next patch)...
SVT: Bass 3 Mid -8 Trebl 5 Mid_F 40 Hz Gain 40 Level 44 (Unity) Ultra Low Cab BM 4x12 Mix 76