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- Thread starter Kipp Harrington
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That was the thing that tripped me out of the early class D offerings. It seemed to me that some of them would cut out when pushed. You had to keep the volume down and the thump came late or just was not present. It seems someone (Andy) has put an end to that kind of thing
Can you please explain the way how the amp protects itself?
Can you please tell us the number of ouptput power at whch the amplifier starts to protect itself?
So it’s fine to run that cab with your combo. Keep the combo on top to make sure you aren’t pushing the 210 to hard. The signal gets spilt between the cabs so the 210 is getting the same power as the 410.
My experience with lower end ampeg stuff is that it’s not super reliable and doesn’t like to be pushed.
I run a few of my amps past 5 all the time with no problem but every design is different. I had an SWR combo as a kid that hated going past 4 and didn’t get louder. Just crappier sounding.
My experience with lower end ampeg stuff is that it’s not super reliable and doesn’t like to be pushed.
I run a few of my amps past 5 all the time with no problem but every design is different. I had an SWR combo as a kid that hated going past 4 and didn’t get louder. Just crappier sounding.
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The way the CUP is being enforced these days makes this a no go. Sorry
This isn't true either, it depends very much on the intent (and to some degree on the budget) of the designer.
That was the thing that tripped me out of the early class D offerings. It seemed to me that some of them would cut out when pushed. You had to keep the volume down and the thump came late or just was not present. It seems someone (Andy) has put an end to that kind of thing
It's not a class D thing, it's purely a design choice as to how the amp handles heavy overdrive.
Many designers make the choice to shut the amp down (in a variety of ways) when the duty cycle or peak current or average current or temperature (or a combination of the above) exceed the safe value as determined by the designer and the design itself.
I don't have those numbers, I just know the symptoms. Watts or voltages are really meaningless as there isn't a W or V knob on the amp. Just use your ears and keep the volume within reason.
I tried the same thing and it rocked! Should have no problems the 410 is 8ohms and with the BA it will take an 8ohm cab.
At the time I had a Rumble 500 head with the BA210 and Rumble 410, sounded phenomenal. Had the clarity and punch of the Fender 410 and the midrangy punch of the Ampeg 210
At the time I had a Rumble 500 head with the BA210 and Rumble 410, sounded phenomenal. Had the clarity and punch of the Fender 410 and the midrangy punch of the Ampeg 210
As has been said earlier, an 8 ohm 1x15 extension cab is more likely to divide your combo's amplifier output more evenly than the 4x10. The only way to ensure a 50/50 split would be a 2x10 with the same speakers and cab characteristics as your combo.
An 8 ohm 210 or 410 or 115 or 212 or whatever will appear as essentially the same external load to the combo.
That's not in doubt; it's whether certain individual drivers are stressed more than others by receiving more power. The speakers in the 8 ohm 210 cab will experience twice the power than those in the 8 ohm 410 causing them to fart out sooner whilst the 410 cones are still within their comfort zone.
Correct, but using a 115 will not change that. You have to pay attention to what the limiting factors are and depending on the external cab, it will likely be the built-in 10" speakers.
Agreed again, but a 115 is possibly going to have closer power handling capabilities to the 210 than the 410.
In a summary
You argued with bold words.
I asked a serious question.
You don't have an answer.
I ain't the one who tries to talk stupid things.
I asked a serious question you have got no answer
That's all
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Are you confusing me with someone else? I'm just saying that this particular combo is going into protection, it's being pushed too hard, dial back the volume. I think they're expecting too much out of it but I've not suggested any other amps in its place.
I prefer amps that don't cut out while going into self-protection. I have several amps that can cover clean through vintage warmth depending on the gig.
