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YAMAHA TRB CLUB

Hi gang,
So I have this amazing trb 4ii....(new to me).
I’m playing with the thought of replacing the pickups and preamp(preferably passive pickups). Anybody has an experience with this? Regarding sound and measurements as well...
For reference, I love the old Tobias sound...so maybe Bartolini??
Would love to hear some opinions
Thx!
 
Hi gang,
So I have this amazing trb 4ii....(new to me).
I’m playing with the thought of replacing the pickups and preamp(preferably passive pickups). Anybody has an experience with this? Regarding sound and measurements as well...
For reference, I love the old Tobias sound...so maybe Bartolini??
Would love to hear some opinions
Thx!

I was thinking something similar lately for my TRB 6II. Maybe Bartolini pickups and an Aguilar preamp?. I was going to start with the preamp.
 
@booch29 and @RumbleBot, you can't go wrong with Bartolini in my opinion. That said @booch29 you'll have to consider what bypassing the Yamaha preamp means from a wiring and pots standpoint. I know it's a long thread but we've covered pickup and preamp opinions at least once already, so you might want to search just within this thread for ideas. I also always recommend the team at Bass Pickups | Preamps | Bartolini | Aguilar - Best Bass Gear for ideas and opinions, they are great.
 
I put Q-Tuners in my BB. Best tone on the planet and they are passive.

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I'm looking to order this kit:
Aguilar OBP-3 Bass Preamp Standard Kits
This will give me the three EQ knobs with the mid push-pull selector. I'm going to wire the pickups with a push-pull 25K pot for series/parallel on the volume knob. Then just a regular 250K blend pot. Unless I can find a 250K push-pull blend pot.
Either way, I won't need to add any more holes to the bass so I can swap back in the old preamp in the future if I want.
 
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I'm looking to order this kit:
Aguilar OBP-3 Bass Preamp Standard Kits
This will give me the three EQ knobs with the mid push-pull selector. I'm going to wire the pickups with a push-pull 25K pot for series/parallel on the volume knob. Then just a regular 250K blend pot. Unless I can find a 250K push-pull blend pot.
Either way, I won't need to add any more holes to the bass so I can swap back in the old preamp in the future if I want.
It is still unclear to me if you can drop in a replacement preamp on the Yamaha pickups and keep the phantom coils functionality. It’s not possible on the 1st gen TRBs but I don’t know if you need a buffer on the 2nd gen due to the way Yamaha handles the phantom coils.
 
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It is still unclear to me if you can drop in a replacement preamp on the Yamaha pickups and keep the phantom coils functionality. It’s not possible on the 1st gen TRBs but I don’t know if you need a buffer on the 2nd gen due to the way Yamaha handles the phantom coils.
I think you're right. I didn't even realize that the pickups themselves where also active. Just had to look it up. That's fine anyways as I've decided to do this upgrade to my Tune TWB-63 instead. I know for a fact that those pickups are passive as I've already tried manually wiring them in series temporarily.
I'm planning on doing the TRB upgrade at a later date, but now I know that it'll include pickup upgrades as well.
 
@knight of ni

I think you're right. I didn't even realize that the pickups themselves where also active. Just had to look it up. That's fine anyways as I've decided to do this upgrade to my Tune TWB-63 instead. I know for a fact that those pickups are passive as I've already tried manually wiring them in series temporarily.
I'm planning on doing the TRB upgrade at a later date, but now I know that it'll include pickup upgrades as well.

Define "active". The II series and the Korean 100x series used the same pickups (I have that on the authority of Yamaha's US service center from back when they were still selling these; the woman verified identical SKU numbers for the pickup sets of the two basses), and the leads are red=main coil, white=phantom coil, black=ground. The pickups themselves have no power supply or onboard op-amp, and so are technically passive. You can short red to white and use the pickup as a standard two-conductor, and that's essentially what the 100x's internal trimpots do (the II series boards do something a little different, can't remember what).

However, the pickups, while technically passive, are low-output enough that on the 100x board, each individual coil gets a simple FET boost applied prior to almost anything else (one of the reasons this circuit's such a power hog, and also why it's a bit noisy; 5 op-amps, 4 FETs, and a charge pump, and that's the simpler amp board of the two TRB levels).

So if you were planning on incorporating a passive bypass, I wouldn't use the stock pickups, but the NTMB+F module, specially with its trimmable 12dB pre-gain, is more than capable of working with the stock coils, you just twist the red and white together and use that as your pickup hot. If you just have to have a push-pull in your Bart setup, single-coil mode might be more interesting, and that's as easy as separating the red and white leads with the DPDT so that in the up position, the white leads are out of the circuit.
 
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The pickups are definitely passive but are meant to be used on an active circuit. A phantom coil is a coil that picks the electrical hum but not the strings sound signal. You can then subtract the phantom coil signal (the hum) to the pickup coil, which yields sound signal + hum. There are two ways to do this : either coils are wound the same way , then you have to electronically invert the phantom coil hum to subtract it. That's the way the 1st gen works, and it's really peculiar to this yamaha preamp series. What everybody else does generally AFAIK is wound the phantom coil the other way around and then naturally you get the inverted signal, no need for electronic to invert it. This is the case for the 2nd gen preamp, both coils (the real one and the phantom) are amplified and then added. Since the phantom coil signal is minus the hum, adding both coils signal cancels hum. There is a trim pot to fine tune the signal coming from the phantom coil to compensate from a small difference that may arise from the two different circuits (one circuit for phantom coil, one for the real coil). The two resulting outputs (one for each pickup) are then fed to the pan pot and the rest of the preamp. I've always wondered if you could use pickups directly into a 3rd party preamp or you'd have to have this kind of buffer I described before entering the preamp, my limited knowledge of electronics keep me in the dark there. It turned out I really grew on the Yamaha preamp, so I stopped wondering.
 
Hey folks. I've a trb 5ii and I love it but I can't seem to get a clean /clear sound from it no matter how I eq it. When everything is flat it's quite muddy and if I roll off the bass and mids a little and boost the highs I can get it fairly good. I've replaced the strings and put in a high quality battery but no change.
Has anyone had this issue. I absolutely love the bass and am prepared to spend a few pound to repair. I'm sending it to an electrical engineer soon and failing that I'll be replacing the preamp and possibly the pickups
Thanks
Derek
 
Hey folks. I've a trb 5ii and I love it but I can't seem to get a clean /clear sound from it no matter how I eq it. When everything is flat it's quite muddy and if I roll off the bass and mids a little and boost the highs I can get it fairly good. I've replaced the strings and put in a high quality battery but no change.
Has anyone had this issue. I absolutely love the bass and am prepared to spend a few pound to repair. I'm sending it to an electrical engineer soon and failing that I'll be replacing the preamp and possibly the pickups
Thanks
Derek

Hi Derek,

Two questions:
1. What is your signal path? To answer this question well, I think it would be helpful to know what you're playing through (and how it's set).
2. Do you have an easy way of recording? It might be helpful if you record a little bit so that we can hear what you're hearing.

I often find the level of definition I like by a) rolling the pickup blend a little towards the back pickup and b) playing between the two pickups. I tend to take a small dip out of the kids, and sometimes give a small boost to the treble.

If it's helpful, here's a link to me playing my TRB-5II: .

In all likelihood, I'm playing through an Aguilar Tone Hammer pedal and taking a small mid dip out. I had DR Fatbeams on in this video (I've since switched to Fodera Stainless Steels).

Here's another TB user playing his TRB-5II: .

Do you consider those sounds to be clean/clear?
 
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Firstly let me say, your playing and tone and clarity are top class. The 2 videos are exactly what I'm after.
I'm currently just practicing at home through a vox bass amplug with headphones. I also run into a focusrite 2i2 3rd gen for my home recording. I'm thinking I've possibly just picked up a bad set of strings. I currently have Ernie Ball super Slinky 45-130. I messed around with the eq and done very close to what you run but I still lack that great clarity you have.
 
Firstly let me say, your playing and tone and clarity are top class. The 2 videos are exactly what I'm after.
I'm currently just practicing at home through a vox bass amplug with headphones. I also run into a focusrite 2i2 3rd gen for my home recording. I'm thinking I've possibly just picked up a bad set of strings. I currently have Ernie Ball super Slinky 45-130. I messed around with the eq and done very close to what you run but I still lack that great clarity you have.

Thank you! Glad you enjoyed the video.

I still think it might be helpful to hear a recording (you could do audio only). But here are some ideas for troubleshooting (focused around settings and equipment): I would make sure you’re using the low gain setting on the AmPlug, I would replace the AmPlug’s batteries (sounds like you replaced the bass batteries already), and I would check to make sure your headphones are not the problem. If you have (or have access to) another bass, I would hook it up to see if things sound clearer. Just some troubleshooting ideas.
 
Hey folks. I've a trb 5ii and I love it but I can't seem to get a clean /clear sound from it no matter how I eq it. When everything is flat it's quite muddy and if I roll off the bass and mids a little and boost the highs I can get it fairly good. I've replaced the strings and put in a high quality battery but no change.
Has anyone had this issue. I absolutely love the bass and am prepared to spend a few pound to repair. I'm sending it to an electrical engineer soon and failing that I'll be replacing the preamp and possibly the pickups
Thanks
Derek

Hi Derek,

The TRB EQ is a bit unique. The three controls are not completely independent.
The range affected by the bass and treble controls vary depending on what your mid-control is set at. Try backing the bass off just below the centre notch, keep the treble in the notch, then boost the midrange control just slightly above the notch. Then set the pickup blend to either right in the middle. Then play between the pickups.

Does that give you more clarity? That sort of setting gives me more clarity on my TRB.
 
Hi Derek,

The TRB EQ is a bit unique. The three controls are not completely independent.
The range affected by the bass and treble controls vary depending on what your mid-control is set at. Try backing the bass off just below the centre notch, keep the treble in the notch, then boost the midrange control just slightly above the notch. Then set the pickup blend to either right in the middle. Then play between the pickups.

Does that give you more clarity? That sort of setting gives me more clarity on my TRB.

Do you know the frequencies of the TRB II EQ? As I hear the bass probably somwhere beetween 40hz and 60hz, very usable to cut for boomy stages without soosing the body... The mid knob is interesting, is not a high mid like 800hz or 1k, but I thing not as low as something like 200hz, works strange for me, but not bad, when cutting the sound start to be somehow scoopped, but when boost add some kind of "fatness" instead of proximity or definition, the high knob is only works for me as "cut" all the way down, and still has little bit more treble than I need (for example when soloing the rear PU...), but luckey the bass has very nice "hi-fi" highs, and never harsh....
 
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed the video.

I still think it might be helpful to hear a recording (you could do audio only). But here are some ideas for troubleshooting (focused around settings and equipment): I would make sure you’re using the low gain setting on the AmPlug, I would replace the AmPlug’s batteries (sounds like you replaced the bass batteries already), and I would check to make sure your headphones are not the problem. If you have (or have access to) another bass, I would hook it up to see if things sound clearer. Just some troubleshooting ideas.


I've done everything I can think of at this stage. I did run the eq settings like you suggested but I still found it to be overly muddy to the point that I wouldn't be happy to bring it gigging. I've dropped it to an electrical engineer friend of mine and he's gonna check everything for me. So hopefully we'll get it sorted
 
Hi Derek,

The TRB EQ is a bit unique. The three controls are not completely independent.
The range affected by the bass and treble controls vary depending on what your mid-control is set at. Try backing the bass off just below the centre notch, keep the treble in the notch, then boost the midrange control just slightly above the notch. Then set the pickup blend to either right in the middle. Then play between the pickups.

Does that give you more clarity? That sort of setting gives me more clarity on my TRB.

I find that if I cut the bass a fraction, cut the mid a fraction and boost the treble a little and leave the pickup selector in the middle then I'm getting close to where I want to be but then it sounds a little thin but yet still muddy.