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Yorkville TC112 cab - seen one yet ?

#81
RevGroove said:
Interesting analysis!



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Yeah. I couldn't see Traynor ever making a bass amp which lacked bass.

Being able to adjust (or defeat) the DynaBass 300's scoop control opens the door to its amp section being used to drive 350 watts *into an 8 ohm pair of say.., TC115's, or a single 4 ohm cab like the TC808 - once Traynor begins to offer its customers a neo option on these--hint - for a big bottom in big rooms while still having a 45lbs compact bass rig for light rock, country, jazz, or acoustic gigs in smaller venues.

*Taken from the DB 300's manual:

"14. Speaker Outs

All three speaker outputs – two 1⁄4-inch and one SpeakonTM – are in parallel. The amp’s minimum load is 4 ohms overall (not per-jack) therefore you can connect a total of one 4-ohm speaker cabinet, or two 8-ohm speaker cabinets, or four 16-ohm speaker cabinets to the DynaBass 300 head. The SpeakonTM jack might be suggested if your speaker cabinet also has a SpeakonTM. Otherwise the 1⁄4-inch Speaker Outs will work equally well.

User Tip 1: The DynaBass 300 combo’s internal speaker load is 8-ohms therefore any extension cabinet should be no less than 8-ohms.

User Tip 2: The 350-Watt @ 4-ohms rated power output is measured with the amp’s Gain, Master and tone controls adjusted for minimal distortion. When shopping for a single 4-ohm cabinet to use with the DynaBass 300 head, look for one with a program power rating of approximately 500 Watts to provide some added capacity for handling “crunch” distortion. Alternatively you could employ two 250-Watt (program) 8-ohm cabinets.

User Tip 3: Most speaker cabs with dual jacks have them wired together in parallel. When pairing two such cabinets with the DynaBass 300 head, you only need to use one Speaker Out, and then patch the cabs together. However if you prefer to run 2 cables, each from one of the amp’s Speaker Outs, that would work equally well (it’s really all the same thing, electrically)."
 
#82
62bass said:
I don't disagree. That sounds to me like what I was hearing. But, I cranked the scoop up full in an attempt to get more bottom. No dice. The speaker just won't put it out. All I succeeded in doing was to lose all my mids.

By contrast, I tried a little Markbass combo with a single 12 in a cabinet about the same small size. I was able to get lots of fat bottom by boosting it in. However, the speaker would bottom out very easily when it exceeded it's limit of excursion, so while it would go low, it wouldn't do it and play loud. So, at gig volumes the Dynabass would be just as loud as the Markbass if you didn't boost the lows on the Markbass. If you boosted the lows, you would lose out on useable volume. I could easily get the little Markbass 12" to jump 1/4" by hitting a solid low E. But it was distorting and I don't think that speaker would stand up too long under that punishment. Two of them however would give you a fighting chance. But look at the difference in cost between the Dynabass and the Markbass.

Without substantially better and more expensive speakers, I just can't see the Traynor ever getting that big and fat bottom. But, if you don't need it big and fat, it sure will play pretty loud and it does sound good.

It's also nice to play on an amp where you set the eq to flat and it really is flat (or as flat as the speaker allows).

There's also lots of high end if you want it. In fact, I think the horn is not really needed. I just turned it right off.

Anyhow, give it a try when you get a chance. I'd be interested in hearing your take on it.
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Hmm... It would seem then that the little Markie would be the better choice for those who want a fat bottom at moderate volumes.

In contrast, given the price-point constraints of its target market (guys like me), Traynor seems to have designed the DB 300 to deliver maximum usable volume instead of attempting to repeal the laws of physics--and compromise the DB 300's long-term reliability & incur additional warranty repair costs...

This suits me well since I want an affordable, and utterly reliable combo which is box-of-dynamite LOUD in order to combat being swamped by other instruments--as all the other combos I've owned wound up being.

A lack of very deep bass is not a problem for me since I play a 30.3" 6-string tuned E- e--an instrument which has plenty of bass one can hear, but nothing that registers on the Richter scale. :D

Besides, after I get my DB 300, I'll be fattening/thickening it up with a VT Bass. That the DB 300's EQ can actually be set flat will come in very handy for the option of using the VT primarily as an overdrive pedal.

It's good to learn that T has brought out a light-weight bass combo which delivers BANG for the buck! :hyper:

EDIT: +1 on tweeters. IMHO they belong in PAs--not bass amps.
 
#83
62bass said:
Well, I finally managed to get into the Burlington L&M store this afternoon and tried out the DB 300 (1x12") combo and the 1x12 extension cabinet.

Sorry Reverend Groove that I missed you. The place was a madhouse and I didn't want to take you away from your work.

The DB 300 is a pretty nice little amp. First off, it looks good and seems solid. As Rev says, the eq seems to be flat when set in the flat (12 o'clock) position. The bass adds bass, the low mids and a bit of punch, etc.

It's a loud little sucker even without the extension cab. But it isn't a fat and warm sounding amp. Very little real bottom end even with a lot of bass boost. For some players it would be plenty and if you want lots of mids and highs this amp can really crank them out. I was using a new American Fender P through it and managed to get a compromise tone I liked with it by using a fair bit of the scoop control, a bit of bass boost and a bit of low mids. It's not an amp for the "old school" type players or anyone who wants a pillowy bottom.

I got it uncomfortably loud without any distortion from the speaker or the amp. If you want to "cut through the mix" this amp can do it. I was able to easily drown out the guitar wankers going at it in the store.

Adding the 1x12 extension didn't really add much bottom. It just got louder and kept the same tone. The stack would make quite a capable rig for gigging that isn't too hard to cart around and doesn't take up much space. You could easily fit the two into the back seat of a little compact like my Kia Rio and still have room for a couple basses.

I think Traynor will sell a lot of these if they can keep the prices down.

For me, I wouldn't use it for a big and fat R&B sound on a gig. It just won't put out enough below about 70 Hz to do that, even with the extension cabinet. No amount of bass boost will force it to do it. The specs Traynor has on their website for the 1x12 cabinet are a bit optimistic in the bottom. I shut the tweeter off in the combo and turned down the tweeter in the cabinet using the control and still had plenty of top end. I'd never use the tweeter at all myself. It's just not needed. If you're a slapper this amp will really punch it out. It'd be good for hard rock stuff too. Just don't expect any big, heavy bass. The sound actually reminds me a lot of the old Acoustic with the 1x18 folded horn cabinet when that was set flat. It won't play that loud of course but that was sort of the character of the amp.

So, all in all, it's pretty impressive for the size and price. It looks very well made and should stand up to real gig use.

I didn't get a chance to try the 300T combo with the 2x8" speakers. I imagine it would sound a lot different and not have the volume the 1x12 combo put out.

I'd recommend this amp to anyone. Just try one first to make sure you like the sound. Again, it is really a loud little thing if you want it to be and the price is right.
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Say 62bass...

I've been thinking about your post here for a while now re the DB 300 lacking low end.

Perhaps the amp you tried was fresh out of the box and its 12" hadn't been broken in yet?

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Also, if you decide to check out the DB 300T (or DB 300 again), could you please test the GAIN & MASTER relationship in regards to 'woofing'/'tubing'-up the pre-amp's tone a tad, as well as determining the quality of its overdrive sounds?

It would be good to know if the DB 300/300T can deliver a good grinding rock overdrive sound without mushing up the low end (such as it is).

Thank you.
 
#84
MIJ-VI said:
Say 62bass...

I've been thinking about your post here for a while now re the DB 300 lacking low end.

Perhaps the amp you tried was fresh out of the box and its 12" hadn't been broken in yet?

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Also, if you decide to check out the DB 300T (or DB 300 again), could you please test the GAIN & MASTER relationship in regards to 'woofing'/'tubing'-up the pre-amp's tone a tad, as well as determining the quality of its overdrive sounds?

It would be good to know if the DB 300/300T can deliver a good grinding rock overdrive sound without mushing up the low end (such as it is).

Thank you.
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Yes, the DB300 and the extension cab I tried were probably both quite new and not yet broken in. There would be a slight improvement in bottom end when they are in my experience. For example, my little Yorkville XM50C didn't open up in the bottom for a couple months because I was only using it at home as a second amp for teaching and that was pretty low volume. I've pushed my GK MB150S harder and more often and it's sounding much better now. So yes, that will help some.

I think if you want an amp that is easy to cart around and will cut through well, the DB300 is a good one. Should work well with your short scale bass. Thinking about it, the overall sound of the amp reminds me of the Peavey Combo 300 amp I used for a time. Tons of volume but a lean bottom end. Also the Peavey Databass was similar.

I think the Traynor should prove to be as reliable.

Next time I can get into L&M I'll mess around with the gain and master and see if I can get some grind out of it. I can get a bit of it out of my XM50C. Not as much as my GK, but that's got a special circuit designed for that.

Meanwhile, perhaps Rev Groove can tell us if he can get the thing to grind.

I don't know how soon I can get into L&M again. I'll work on it. I'm sure my wife needs a new piano song book. Yeah, that's right. She does. It'll help her a lot. Nothing like a new piano song book to get you playing better. :)
 
#85
62bass said:
Yes, the DB300 and the extension cab I tried were probably both quite new and not yet broken in. There would be a slight improvement in bottom end when they are in my experience. For example, my little Yorkville XM50C didn't open up in the bottom for a couple months because I was only using it at home as a second amp for teaching and that was pretty low volume. I've pushed my GK MB150S harder and more often and it's sounding much better now. So yes, that will help some.

I think if you want an amp that is easy to cart around and will cut through well, the DB300 is a good one. Should work well with your short scale bass. Thinking about it, the overall sound of the amp reminds me of the Peavey Combo 300 amp I used for a time. Tons of volume but a lean bottom end. Also the Peavey Databass was similar.

I think the Traynor should prove to be as reliable.

Next time I can get into L&M I'll mess around with the gain and master and see if I can get some grind out of it. I can get a bit of it out of my XM50C. Not as much as my GK, but that's got a special circuit designed for that.

Meanwhile, perhaps Rev Groove can tell us if he can get the thing to grind.

I don't know how soon I can get into L&M again. I'll work on it. I'm sure my wife needs a new piano song book. Yeah, that's right. She does. It'll help her a lot. Nothing like a new piano song book to get you playing better. :)
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Musicians... :D

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Several year.., OK.., in the last millennium, I blew one of two 14 month old EV-15Bs (I think that's what they were called) I had mounted in a couple of Kroth TL cubes.

After I had the fried one re-coned with an EV-15B re-cone kit at Steve's Music, I A/B'd the two 15" cabs side-by-side.

The re-coned speaker had disturbingly less bass and sounded tighter & rather forced compared to the other 15".

I chalked this up at the time to the re-cone having perhaps been done using a stiffer-drying kind of adhesive.

It wasn't until after I joined TalkBass that I learned about the need to break in new woofers.

Thus, I now belatedly retract the Fred Flintstone invective I directed at the folks who work in Steve's repair department. :p
 
#86
The DB300 combo specs look great for $855 Cdn. Light, compact, plenty of power, fully equipped for gigging and home practice. I'm going to have to check one out.

Type Bass Combo
Cabinet Impedance (Ohms) 8
Power @ min. impedance (Watts) 350 :)
Minimum Impedance (Ohms) 4
Burst Power - 2 cycle 700 :bassist:
Speaker Configuration - LF (Size / Power) Single 12-inch Celestion Woofer
Speaker Configuration - HF (Size / Power) Piezo Tweeter w/ Defeat Switch
Frequency Response (Hz +/-3dB) 20 - 20kHz :D
Channel 1 - inputs Active / Passive 1/4-inch
Channel 1 - controls Gain, Bass, Low Mid, High Mid, Treble, Scoop
Channel 1 - switches Mute, DI pre/post EQ, Ground Lift, Limiter
Channel 2 - inputs 1/4-inch Line Input with Gain Control (rear)
Master Volume Control Yes
Input Sensitivity (mV) 80
Line Out (type / configuration) Balanced XLR
Line Out Sensitivity (Vrms) 1
Effects Loop / Location Yes / Rear
LED Indicators Power, Input Clip, Mute
Protection Thermal, Overcurrent
Limiter / Switchable Yes / Yes
External speaker output / location 2 x 1/4-inch & 1 Speakon™
Headphone Jack Yes
Dimensions (DWH, inches) 15 x 20.5 x 19 :hyper:
Dimensions (DWH, cm) 38 x 52 x 49
Weight (lbs / kg) 45 / 20.4 :hyper:
 
#87
PluckyThump said:
The DB300 combo specs look great for $855 Cdn. Light, compact, plenty of power, fully equipped for gigging and home practice. I'm going to have to check one out.

Type Bass Combo
Cabinet Impedance (Ohms) 8
Power @ min. impedance (Watts) 350 :)
Minimum Impedance (Ohms) 4
Burst Power - 2 cycle 700 :bassist:
Speaker Configuration - LF (Size / Power) Single 12-inch Celestion Woofer
Speaker Configuration - HF (Size / Power) Piezo Tweeter w/ Defeat Switch
Frequency Response (Hz +/-3dB) 20 - 20kHz :D
Channel 1 - inputs Active / Passive 1/4-inch
Channel 1 - controls Gain, Bass, Low Mid, High Mid, Treble, Scoop
Channel 1 - switches Mute, DI pre/post EQ, Ground Lift, Limiter
Channel 2 - inputs 1/4-inch Line Input with Gain Control (rear)
Master Volume Control Yes
Input Sensitivity (mV) 80
Line Out (type / configuration) Balanced XLR
Line Out Sensitivity (Vrms) 1
Effects Loop / Location Yes / Rear
LED Indicators Power, Input Clip, Mute
Protection Thermal, Overcurrent
Limiter / Switchable Yes / Yes
External speaker output / location 2 x 1/4-inch & 1 Speakon™
Headphone Jack Yes
Dimensions (DWH, inches) 15 x 20.5 x 19 :hyper:
Dimensions (DWH, cm) 38 x 52 x 49
Weight (lbs / kg) 45 / 20.4 :hyper:
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It's definitely worth the drive to Burlington.
 
#89
the_hook said:
They were ahead on 21st Century stuff in the 1950's...the Avro Arrow and AvroCar....;)

I'm sure there's an Arrow parked in a barn in Winnpeg somewhere...:p
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Completely off topic, but I have the brass company badge from one of the drafting boards on which the Avro Arrow was designed. I couldn't get the whole drafting board out of he plant unfortunately. They destroyed all of them-about 150 or so. No need for drafting boards any more.
 
#90
This is a fascinating thread! I am presently in the market for a 112 that is light and reasonably good sounding, but also not too expensive. It won't be my main speaker, but will serve as an occasional extension for a GK MB150E-III, and as a small-venue cab when using a Hartke 2500 head, which I currently use with an old Carvin 2X10 that's quite heavy to lug around.

The Traynor TC112 looks great from standpoint of size and weight. This thread makes me think its sound would please me. The GK Neo 112 weighs about 5 lbs (2.5 kgs.) more, but in the U.S. is about $75 less.

Does anyone have experience with both such that you've formed an opinion about one being markedly better than the other? I live in the Little Rock, AR area and have no way to try out either one.

Many thanks.
Michael
 
#91
analog_freak said:
This is a fascinating thread! I am presently in the market for a 112 that is light and reasonably good sounding, but also not too expensive. It won't be my main speaker, but will serve as an occasional extension for a GK MB150E-III, and as a small-venue cab when using a Hartke 2500 head, which I currently use with an old Carvin 2X10 that's quite heavy to lug around.

The Traynor TC112 looks great from standpoint of size and weight. This thread makes me think its sound would please me. The GK Neo 112 weighs about 5 lbs (2.5 kgs.) more, but in the U.S. is about $75 less.

Does anyone have experience with both such that you've formed an opinion about one being markedly better than the other? I live in the Little Rock, AR area and have no way to try out either one.

Many thanks.
Michael
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I own the GK MB 150S combo myself. Because of the 5 lbs lighter weight I'd go with the Traynor TC112 over the GK but, because the GK Neo 1x12 has better bass, I'd prefer it as a stand alone cab. It'll sound bigger, I believe. I've tried both but never A/B d them using one amp as a reference. I wouldn't say that one is markedly better than the other but they do sound different. It sounds to me like the the TC 112 can handle as much power as the GK and efficiency, at least above 70 or 80 Hz, seem to be equal.

It's tough to make a choice when you can't try something out beforehand.

I still haven't had a chance to get in to L&M again to try the TC with my GK MB combo. Soon, I hope.
 
#92
62bass said:
I own the GK MB 150S combo myself. Because of the 5 lbs lighter weight I'd go with the Traynor TC112 over the GK but, because the GK Neo 1x12 has better bass, I'd prefer it as a stand alone cab. It'll sound bigger, I believe. I've tried both but never A/B d them using one amp as a reference. I wouldn't say that one is markedly better than the other but they do sound different. It sounds to me like the the TC 112 can handle as much power as the GK and efficiency, at least above 70 or 80 Hz, seem to be equal.

It's tough to make a choice when you can't try something out beforehand.

I still haven't had a chance to get in to L&M again to try the TC with my GK MB combo. Soon, I hope.
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Could it be the smaller size of the Traynor's cabinet that makes it less suitable as a stand alone speaker (or perhaps better said, The GK Neo's slightly larger size gives it more bottom end)? I'm sensing a trade-off here between price and weight, but also a trade-off between weight/size on the one hand, and bottom-end performance on the other.

If you get to try out your GK MB combo with the TC, please post the results!

Thanks.
Michael
 
#93
analog_freak said:
Could it be the smaller size of the Traynor's cabinet that makes it less suitable as a stand alone speaker (or perhaps better said, The GK Neo's slightly larger size gives it more bottom end)? I'm sensing a trade-off here between price and weight, but also a trade-off between weight/size on the one hand, and bottom-end performance on the other.

If you get to try out your GK MB combo with the TC, please post the results!

Thanks.
Michael
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Yes, I think it's the smaller size of the Traynor and the fact it's a different speaker.

I'll definitely let you know how it works with my MB 150S when I get a chance to try it. Meanwhile, if anyone else has a chance to play through one, let us know what you think.
 
#94
For months I've had my eye on a Traynor DB 300. But at 45 lbs... :atoz:

Has anyone tried a Traynor TC112 (25 lbs.) with a [Invalid or Expired Link Removed] (3 lbs. 12 oz.)?

MB2-500 owners/users have cited this tiny amp as being the sonic equal of GK's other rock 'n' roll bass amps.

Since Yorkville Sound is the exclusive Canadian distributor for Gallien-Krueger (I believe Yorville also handles GK's warranty & repair work), I reckon that buying a GK amplifier is about as safe a bet (only a 1 year warranty though) as buying a Traynor amp. And T since currently has no SMPS/Class D offerings in their bass amp line...

I am utterly determined to get a LOUD (enough for me) bass guitar rig which I can schlep on public transit without a hand truck (30 lbs. MAX--with cables!).

The other two <30 lb. options I've found so far are the:

a post by Bob Gollihur in the DB forums (post #6) (29.32 lbs.) (I'm not going to send a broken amp on a four week vacation to sunny Italy when I can't afford to go there myself!)

Acoustic Image Ten2 (28 lbs., Five year warranty) {According to a post by Bob Gollihur in the DB forums (post #6), while being louder and "more in your face" than A.I.'s other rigs, this amp is not for rock 'n' roll. However, with a Tech 21 VT Bass..?}
 
#95
MIJ-VI said:
For months I've had my eye on a Traynor DB 300. But at 45 lbs... :atoz:

Has anyone tried a Traynor TC112 (25 lbs.) with a [Invalid or Expired Link Removed] (3 lbs. 12 oz.)?

MB2-500 owners/users have cited this tiny amp as being the sonic equal of GK's other rock 'n' roll bass amps.

Since Yorkville Sound is the exclusive Canadian distributor for Gallien-Krueger (I believe Yorville also handles GK's warranty & repair work), I reckon that buying a GK amplifier is about as safe a bet (only a 1 year warranty though) as buying a Traynor amp. And T since currently has no SMPS/Class D offerings in their bass amp line...

I am utterly determined to get a LOUD (enough for me) bass guitar rig which I can schlep on public transit without a hand truck (30 lbs. MAX--with cables!).

The other two <30 lb. options I've found so far are the:

a post by Bob Gollihur in the DB forums (post #6) (29.32 lbs.) (I'm not going to send a broken amp on a four week vacation to sunny Italy when I can't afford to go there myself!)

Acoustic Image Ten2 (28 lbs., Five year warranty) {According to a post by Bob Gollihur in the DB forums (post #6), while being louder and "more in your face" than A.I.'s other rigs, this amp is not for rock 'n' roll. However, with a Tech 21 VT Bass..?}
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Yorkville does take care of the warranty work for GK in Canada...and the MB2-500 is a tasty little head, though I've not tried it yet with the TC112...I will try to confirm my suspicion that they'd make beautiful music together in the very near future!
 
#100
RevGroove said:
Why not take your head in to a store and try it let us know?

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I did take it in, love the cab. Bought one today.

I need a 1x12 that's not a uni-tasker. Works great with the Clarus for jazz guitar and with my MIM fretless jazz bass.

Went to the Cambridge store, and Glenn gave me a nice trade allowance on an old Fender amp I had.

I used it for a big band rehearsal tonite (on guitar) and was very pleased, both with the sound and the ease of lugging. Had the bass player plug in and try it as well. He was very impressed with what could be gotten out of the rig.
 

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