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Your favourite 112 - Help me choose!

Duke, you should hear how Roger talks about you. I think we have a love fest going on up in here.

LOL I'm not sure about the man love, but Duke and I are what I would call friendly competitors. We have had many conversations on gear and I have a lot of respect for his knowledge on the subject. We've always felt our products are aimed at slightly different markets and players, so we try to help each other out whenever possible. I also remember talking to Dave Boonshoft from Aguilar, as well as Jeff and Andy from Genz-Benz at NAMM and was just amazed that all these guys would be willing to offer help and advice to someone trying to break into their market.

IMO, bass players are a special breed. I doubt that many companies in the rest of the MI world are this friendly with their competitors.
 
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I'd give a little louder shout for the Genz Benz NeoX112, mentioned once. For playing around the house, it is luxe, and it will easily handle small gigs. Low B no challenge. Everything has gotten expensive, and even aggies are $600, so the market has made this little cab a relative bargain.
 
Long ago, I once did this 1x12 shootout, but it is so out of date that I would give it a cursory look only. Things have really changed in the realm of bass enclosure design, and the 1x12 perhaps more so than any other individual configuration. I'd love to do some more shootouts, but now that BGM is in full swing, it would have to be done in a full-on gear geek context, with lots of supporting measurements/charts/etc - which means, it'd take some planning, and more importantly, some time.

But, if purely subjective banter is of some value, I'll chime in. :D Most of what there is to say has already been said, but here's my two cents.

Of the "established manufacturers", Bergantino has always been at or near the top of my list, from the HT112, to the IP112, to the AE112 and the HT112ER (soon to be reborn as the HD112). Jim has designed a number of very different bass enclosure lines, and IME/IMHO, he's knocked nearly all of them out of the park. The NV line sounds very different from the HT line, which in turn has different merits than the AE line, and so on. Though not a bass player, Jim seems to understand the characteristics that make different cabs appealing to different players. With that in mind, any discussion about my favorite 1x12 has to include Bergantino, but the question is which model!?!? Since the HT112ER (HD112) is the only model left standing, I'll talk about that. I've been able to compare it to the fEARful 12/6cube/1, Acoustic Friendly Thunderchild, and the Acme Flatwound, and the Berg definitely holds its own in this proud company. It is the most "voiced" of the group, but yet still fairly balanced from top to bottom. If anything, it does have a bit of a dip in the middle to upper midrange, but it has huge lows, beautiful highs, and great clarity (while still sounding like a "bass cab"). Despite being an 8-ohm cab, I found it to be within spitting distance, in terms of actual perceived volume, to the 4-ohm Acme and TC112AF (using several different "500-watt" micro heads).

Another established brand which makes me scratch my head in amazement almost every time I play it is the GK Neo112-II. This cab seems to slot somewhere between the Berg AE112 and HT112ER, tonally, and while I can find things to like arguably better about both of the Bergs, the GK is right up there, and it costs about half as much. Big lows, extended highs, pretty even in the mids (perhaps a tad on the aggressive side in the upper mids), the Neo112-II breathes new life into many heads. Two of them make for quite a mighty stack. If this cab has an Achilles' heel, I'd say that it's not quite as graceful as some of the other cabs when you begin to push it to the limits of what it will comfortably do. But those limits are certainly as high or higher than one could reasonably expect out of this style of cab.

I'll also mention my old Glockenklang Space Deluxe because this model has been around for a while, and gosh darn it, it still sounds great - even compared to the new-fangled competition. Read that old shootout for more on the Glock.

The same can be said to a certain extent about the EA Wizzy. This cab still has a certain appeal, and if you want a more clear/present, yet still kind of vintage tone, it's a very viable design. The M-line version offers better low end performance, and just a tad less midrange focus. For what they do, these are still great cabs. The Acme Flatwound may steal some market share from the Wizzy's though, as it has a lot of the same characteristics but increased performance in several areas (depth, overall volume potential, possibly efficiency, even).

And then we have some "newcomers." These have already been talked about a lot, but again, I feel like piling on. :cool:

"Yes, the fEARful cabs really are that good." I have said that to a lot of people over the course of the last several months, and I do believe it to be true. The 12/6 has amazing depth, and this is balanced by an extremely accurate and balanced midrange. I opted for the BMS compression driver and Dayton horn, and I am quite impressed with the high end as well. Bergantino and Audio Kinesis get the nod for a more smooth presentation, but the tweeter-equipped fEARfuls should do everything that you'd want a tweeter-equipped cab to do, and chances are they'll do it far better than most. The real fEARful magic, though, is in that deep, tight low end and the very revealing midrange. To my ears, the 12/6cube/1 seems to go notably deeper than the Flatwound, but I should have measurements to back this up shortly. I will have lots more to say about the fEARfuls (and the TC112AF) in issue #7, so I'll leave it at that, for now. :cool:

Speaking of which, not to steal too much thunder from Alan's review, but I do have to say that I'm a definite fan of Duke's TC112AF. In addition to being a top-tier speaker designer, Duke is also extremely accurate in the manner in which he describes the tone goals for his cabs. True, it's not the deepest cab out there, but it's got more sensitivity in the low mids, which means that it certainly feels/sounds big and full down low in a musical setting. Anyone who's played a Thunderchild will attest to the fact that they play out much bigger than their dimensions/weight would have you believe. And the transition from driver to horn really is something special. The smoothness of the upper mids to high end on the TC112AF is probably the best in the biz. Of course, there's lots more to love about this cab, but I gotta leave something for the review!

We will be featuring the Acme Flatwound (and possibly the Full Range, as well) in issue #8, but I'll mention it briefly, as well. Though not really a "newcomer," the 1x12 is something new for Andy Lewis, and he has attacked it with typical fervor and engineering prowess. Andy seems to always blaze his own path, but yet still stays within the realm of generally accepted, sound engineering principles. The Flatwound does an amazing number of things right - and does them very well - with just one driver. It doesn't have a lot of high end content, but if you're someone who rolls off the tone knob more than 30%, or if you routinely play with flatwounds, then chances are, it's got all the high end you are going to want, anyway! The mids do fall into that "Wizzy-esque" zone, where there is an overall warm, round, somewhat vintagey feel, but with greater clarity, articulation and balance than you'd get from most "vintage" cabs. I have not A/B'd the Flatwound and an M-line Wizzy, but I'll be sure to do that in #8. Based upon my experience with the Flatwound, I am excited to hear a Full Range, for sure.

I have only heard Roger's cabs at Winter NAMM, and that's not the best place to audition anything, but I have to say, I was impressed with what I heard. His amps are blowing me away, too, but I would have high expectations for the Baer 1x12, for sure.

Okay, that's more than I should have typed. Sorry.... :hmm: It's just fun to jaw a bit about such a fun topic. :D
 
Tom, as usual, great info! (I PMed you a few days back but don't bother responding as you have answered my questions, and then some!!)

And this thread has got me GASsing for some of those cute little GK Neo112's. Awwwwwww....They're so kee-yoooooot!!

EDIT: And thanks for all the others who have contributed to this thread! I never even heard of the Baer ML112 until now!

Question about the Baer ML112: What do you folks mean by it being "colored" for bass guitar? IOW, what freq's are cut/increased to make it "more suitable" for bass guitar? Just curious........
 
I love mine, and it only weighs 30 pounds. I use it with a GK MB200. Talk about the ultimate mini-rig!!!!

+1 A number of us (including me) have kind of taken this thread quite OT with all the talk of super 12's and power handling and volume capability, etc.

Based on the original post of finding a cab that sounds reasonably good for low volume practicing and rehearsals, the little GK NEo is a no-brainer. Reasonably good sounding, not much money, and available immediately, and I would guess a pretty good match for that Carvin micro.

Done!
 
+1 A number of us (including me) have kind of taken this thread quite OT with all the talk of super 12's and power handling and volume capability, etc.

Based on the original post of finding a cab that sounds reasonably good for low volume practicing and rehearsals, the little GK NEo is a no-brainer. Reasonably good sounding, not much money, and available immediately, and I would guess a pretty good match for that Carvin micro.

Done!

Well stated.
 
Tom, as usual, great info! (I PMed you a few days back but don't bother responding as you have answered my questions, and then some!!)

Actually, I believe I did respond to that particular PM, but either way, I'm glad to have answered your question. :D
 
You mentioned Bergantino. Pretty hard to beat. I've used the HT112, the AE112 and the EX112. Each has a different voice, but all are pretty fine and will take a lot of hard work. The Bergs are certainly my all-time favorites - and I've been playing many brands for almost 50 years.

having owned a lot of 12's, and played MOSTS of them, the Bergs are head and shoulders above the rest.

I do like the Mesa neo's, pretty good, and the Epifani's, second and third respectively.

Cheers,
Cameron
 
I won't pretend to know or have played through all of the wonderful 12" cabinets out there, but I've ALWAYS preferred 12" speakers for bass guitar, and Duke is right - this is a wonderful time for users of 12" cabinets. So by asking about 12" cabs, you are most certainly asking the right question!

Over the last five years I've owned Aguilar GS, Bergantino AE and now the Audiokinesis Thunderchild cabs, have owned 12" combos from Mesa and Markbass and I've also heard product from other manufacturers. All of these items were quality products, and it all comes down to what you are looking for in the way of tone, amp compatability and form factor. I rarely play large venues, am often in jazz or folk/latin contexts and look for warmth, clarity and quickness with a lot of low-mid presence and smooth but extended highs, so the Thunderchild has been my single best choice, but I could also have lived happily with the pairs of GS112 or AE112 that I previously had. The Mesa walkabout is a killer solution if you want a tubey sound, don't mind the fan noise and don't have two flights of stairs to contend with. I didn't like the speaker sound on the markbass CMD121P combo, although the little mark amp head is a gem.

Enjoy your process in finding the right 12" for you!
 
+1 A number of us (including me) have kind of taken this thread quite OT with all the talk of super 12's and power handling and volume capability, etc.

Based on the original post of finding a cab that sounds reasonably good for low volume practicing and rehearsals, the little GK NEo is a no-brainer. Reasonably good sounding, not much money, and available immediately, and I would guess a pretty good match for that Carvin micro.

Done!

Just from my own experience, the Carvin micro heads are a little strident in the upper mids into the highs. This is also where I found the GK Neo 112 I's to be a little strident too. In my opinion, the GK neo 112 needs a head with a warm sound. Although, I haven't used the GK Neo II. They may have made some changes to smooth it out. Maybe that's why its the II instead of the I.
 
Hey chaps. Interesting thread. I have a DB212 4 ohm which I absolutely adore. I would like to invest in a super 12, but so far, all the ones that tick my boxes are from the US, which is fine for a brand like GK, but its hard to get the super 12s here.

I know Jim has the HDs coming out, and a set of HD112s MAY be the ticket, but, it would be great to able to get a hold of the more boutique 1x12s like the Baer, TC or Acme.

Unfortunately, none of them (to my knowledge) have dealers, and I am worried about shipping something over with the problems of possible damage, fees, tax, etc.

I realise the price will probably be cheaper direct, but has anyone else done this and found it to be a fair price once tax is involved?

The GKs are super cheap, even in the UK...what are they like?
 
The GKs are super cheap, even in the UK...what are they like?

As I and several others have stated, the GK Neo112-II is really quite excellent, and its performance certainly exceeds what you might reasonably expect from its price point. Bob Gallien enjoys some major pricing leverage, and to his credit, he passes the savings on to the buyer. If you can get them cheap, I'd say give one a try. It shouldn't be too hard to flip, if it doesn't float your boat.
 
The GKs are super cheap, even in the UK...what are they like?

For me, this cab is the first 12 I have owned. I auditioned several before buying (Aggie, Berg, Mesa, MarkBass, etc.), and I have to say, for my style of playing the GK just fit tonally. I usually like a slight bump in the low mids, and this cab does that very well. It also projects very well and sounds much bigger than a single 12. The horn is very musical, and doesn't come across as harsh to my ears. For the price it was a no brainer. I got it new for just over $300, so I wasn't afraid to give it a go knowing I wouldn't be out any money if I decided to flip it.

Disclaimer: I don't play 5 string, so I can't comment on how this cabinet will handle a B string. It handles a 4 string really well, though.
 
For me, this cab is the first 12 I have owned. I auditioned several before buying (Aggie, Berg, Mesa, MarkBass, etc.), and I have to say, for my style of playing the GK just fit tonally. I usually like a slight bump in the low mids, and this cab does that very well. It also projects very well and sounds much bigger than a single 12. The horn is very musical, and doesn't come across as harsh to my ears. For the price it was a no brainer. I got it new for just over $300, so I wasn't afraid to give it a go knowing I wouldn't be out any money if I decided to flip it.

Disclaimer: I don't play 5 string, so I can't comment on how this cabinet will handle a B string. It handles a 4 string really well, though.

Do you have the GK112 Neo I or GK112 Neo II?