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Your favourite flatwounds + p pickup combo?

Prompted by this thread and after numerous extensive sessions over the last days, trying out a few flatwound sets from my strings drawer, I may say that currently my favourite flatwounds + p pickup combo is Dunlop DBFS45105 flats on my 2008 Fender Am.Std Pbass with PV63 pickup. Played through a Markbass Little Mark Vintage head and a Markbass NY122 cab. Massive low end with punch and thump. The Dunlops are still fairly new so I expect them to get better with time. Low tension and pliability of the strings add to the satisfying experience.
 
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GHS Precision Flats 45-105 with G&L L-100 pickup. Brighter and middier than you'd think. Always cuts through, yet sounds very old school.

For a very different p+flats combo, I'm enjoying Fender 9050 MLs with a Geezer PUP so far. It's got more sustain and highs than the GHS/G&L, with a more springy feel. I do like to dial in a bit of J bridge with that one, though.
 
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They're good for what they are, namely all-round flats. I can get some fat tones out of them (they need time to mellow out) and tension is on the low side compared to more traditional flats.
Bridge cables to me and very bright .. yeah give them time .. how much? One month? TI JF344 sound the same since day 0 .. same goes for Roto SM77 ..
Nah .. immediately removed and buried at the back of my strings cemetery
 
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For me it comes down to feel and whether I need the strings to thump or to "sing". If I need thump, I use an old set of Sadowsky Black Label Flats. They are currently on a Jazz Bass, but sound great on a P. It's too bad they are no longer made. They sound like Labellas, but retain their clarity once broken in. The set I have are 045 - 105, but I wish they were the lite version. I've ordered a set of the Labella LTF's.... I'm hoping these don't disappoint. Labellas, for me, tend to lose some pitch definition once broken in... I'm told these don't do that.... We'll see!

I've used the same set of old version Sadowsky Blue Label Flats for coming up on 5 years..... They "sing". The 040 - 100's have a bit more tension than TIJF's, and since they are on a hex core, they are a bit stiffer. They have that same mid focus as TIJF's.... But they don't have that soft, woody attack. Instead, the transient is a bit more aggressive, while not going into thump territory. These have been the perfect Pbass string for me..... I patiently await Sadowsky to re-release them. Edit.... I use these on a CS'59 P with stock pup.... But I've also used them on a P loaded with the Fender OV'62 pup with similar /great results.

I have a set of TIJF's on another P. I love them, but have to really pay attention to my technique when playing them. I'm not an aggressive player, but I will dig in occasionally.... If I'm not careful, they will fret out. I've just recently replaced these.... The previous set were 11 years old, and had been taken on and off basses so many times, they were pretty much shot. Break in when new is somewhat painful..... Overly bright when new..... And just rolling down the tone knob makes them sound a bit hallow. The good news is that I've used them for the last couple of gigs, and they are rounding out nicely.
 
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Bridge cables to me and very bright .. yeah give them time .. how much? One month? TI JF344 sound the same since day 0 .. same goes for Roto SM77 ..
Nah .. immediately removed and buried at the back of my strings cemetery

While I think that maybe you've exaggerated a bit to make a point, I'll say that TIJF's sound quite different once broken in from what they are when new. The set I just took off is much smoother and the mids much more focused then the new set I just put on. My experience is that it takes a good 6 months of constant play to fully break in to what I want to hear. I believe this new set is the 5th set I've bought, so I have a bit of experience with them.

I would have left the old ones on had some of the wraps at the top not broken (where they crease/crimp coming out of the tuning post). They had been on and off several basses over the years. I figured it was just a matter to time before they broke completely.
 
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While I think that maybe you've exaggerated a bit to make a point, I'll say that TIJF's sound quite different once broken in from what they are when new. The set I just took off is much smoother and the mids much more focused then the new set I just put on. My experience is that it takes a good 6 months of constant play to fully break in to what I want to hear. I believe this new set is the 5th set I've bought, so I have a bit of experience with them.

I would have left the old ones on had some of the wraps at the top not broken (where they crease/crimp coming out of the tuning post). They had been on and off several basses over the years. I figured it was just a matter to time before they broke completely.
Not my experience .. my hearing is not sophisticated enough to distinguish between various shades of mids; to me they sound good immediately and so they remain ..
 
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Not my experience .. my hearing is not sophisticated enough to distinguish between various shades of mids; to me they sound good immediately and so they remain ..

Interesting.......
It's not so much the mids changing, but the brightness wearing off that allows the mids to focus. I'm surprised you don't hear that. In fact, my band mates actually commented earlier in the week on how bright the new set is compared to what came off (and not in a good way). Perhaps your set was a bit more dead to begin with? Reports of dead TIJF's is not unheard of.

Anyway, after a week of having this set on, the D and G are settling down. The E and A have another week or two of solid playing before the 'zing' will wear off.
 
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Interesting.......
It's not so much the mids changing, but the brightness wearing off that allows the mids to focus. I'm surprised you don't hear that. In fact, my band mates actually commented earlier in the week on how bright the new set is compared to what came off (and not in a good way). Perhaps your set was a bit more dead to begin with? Reports of dead TIJF's is not unheard of.

Anyway, after a week of having this set on, the D and G are settling down. The E and A have another week or two of solid playing before the 'zing' will wear off.
Never heard from TI too much zing which can’t be easily controlled; I use them on all my basses .. now essentially P and J basses and one Elrick Evo ..
They sound consistent and consistently good on all of them and, above all, they have the right stiffness for me.
Different, totally different and disappointing story with the Dunlop DBFS although I only tried the 45-105 set.
The 40-100 should be less stiff (should), but, gawd, that is a really bright and unwantedly (for me at least) zingy set of flatwound strings ..

PS

I believe “Unwantedly” may be an invented word (I’m Italian after all) .. but it sounded good to me ..
 
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So!

Wich set of flatwounds create magic for you when paired with wich p pickup? And most importantly WHY?
Let me know your dynamic duo and why it works so good and for what genres or scenarios. The nerdier and more detailed answers the better.
Would you for exemple put TI flats on a bass with Dimarzio Model P or would that be so mid-heavy that it spols all the thump? Not my preference or so, just a wierd exemple to get you fired up about the subject!
 
Fender Pro P stock pup Labella Deep Talkin' 760 FM,s.Depth,Punch,Great Thunderous Deep tones played threw Markbass Single 15 no horn
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Lately I've been very satisfied with the fender original62 and Labellas 760FL on my CV 60s p-bass
I really like the 760 FL's on my CV 60's P as well. They work equally well with both with fingers and a pick. I also have the Dunlop flats on my SX P (45-105) and, after the initial break in period, they are not "zingy" or stiff. Although they are brighter than the 760's with the tone knob turned up, they can still get dark with the tone knob turned down. And the tension feels pretty much the same to me between the two. Now, if you are used to something very low tension, like TIJF, both might feel stiff. But neither the 760 FL's or the Dunlops are stiff feeling for flatwounds as far as I'm concerned. YMMV. But for my hands, both are quite comfortable to play, and sound excellent. I play mostly with a pick near the bridge or in front of the pickup cover. I do use my fingers on certain tunes though. Playing with a pick just makes it easier for me to to sing.
 
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My favorites . . . La Bella LTF strings and an EMG GZR pickup in a Peavey Fury. This combination is certainly inclined toward the "thump" end of the spectrum, which is just what I need. I play in a band with three guitars - one acoustic, one electric with single coils, and a pedal steel. All three of these guys play generally bright, clean tones so I have lots of wide-open space to fill down low.

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Put an old Ti flat to my indo Squier CV50P(with Fralin 51 Split P std wound inside) couple day ago, woody tone and well balance string to string tone.

But, overall tone seem a bit dry to my taste.

Take out the 11 months old EB 2814 from my j bass and load into CV50P,. Oh man, the bass tone just awake, kickass and get active !
 
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I was using 9+ year old rotosound flats with the stock pickup from my MIM P. Loved it. Had to change the strings because I was feeling intonation was getting harder to nail and upgraded to a DiMarzio Model P... sadly one of the strings broke near the tuner cause I cutted short, so I'm with roundwounds while I get the flats again (hard to find in my country so I have to buy and import)...

But soon enough I'll be with the flats again... the pickup sounds killer nonetheless :)