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Your Opinion on 8x10's
- Thread starter EvolLove13
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Makes sense, thanks Jimmy.
I don't know enough about this to offer much to the thread, but in my experience, beaming is sort of a non issue.
I've never played a gig where me, myself, I, and my speaker cab were relied on to cover the whole venue, and expected to have highs, lows, and mids carry throughout, without some kind of PA support.
Unless we're talking small, intimate settings where playing a 2x10 off the floor, or into a small subwoofer was good enough.
So regarding what you said about two 10s side by side (like the 4 rows in an 810), you basically get the equivalent of a 20" speaker - how similar is the SVT410HE to the SVT810? I've read it was basically like "half" of an 810 - which is basically like 4 SVT210's stacked - or 4 separate 210 cabs working together. I really like my 410HE, but it seems that an SVT810 might be more of a good thing. It's not even about straight volume and sheer power to me, or whether or not the guy in the far corner hears what note I'm playing, coming directly from my cabinet. I've got PA support to fill the venue, and I'd rather him feel it in his bones than just hear the notes in his ears.
Yep, it's half of an 810e. Uses the same speakers, approx. the same internal volume...only major differences are the tweeter and the doubled-up awesome. SVT 210av's are a bit smaller and use speakers that don't take as much power, but in that same tonal family, just tuned a bit higher on the lows. I just add a little bass when I'm using them and it works out for me. Oh, and two of the 210av's in a vertical stack have improved dispersion 
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Woah, I thought you were about to start a "the basic flaw in the 810 cab" thread.
(to go with the pbass one, in case anybody missed the joke, as this was meant as a joke, ya know..in case anybody gets upset.)
I don't get what you are saying here. Or, I guess a better question would be "who are you responding to?/who, or what statement, is this directed at?"
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OK, nevermind. Upon further reading, my questions have been answered. Dispersion has been pretty much explained. Basically, the larger the sound source, the lower the frequency is that it becomes directional and doesn't spread all the sound widely (or "tall-ly") in all directions.
This matters whenever either....
A. You are carrying the room with your rig. If you've never had the pleasure of doing this....you should. It will show you a whole lot about what sort of sound works for you, the player, vs. what sort of sound works for your audience (ya know, the people that are the reason you even have a gig in the first place).
Or B....you run your own PA system in which case you have to know how all this stuff affects all instruments, not just your bass, and again, give the people paying your bills what they want.
If all you're concerned with is how YOU sound 8ft. or whatever in front of YOUR speakers and don't know or don't care what that sounds like anywhere else, I guess enjoy the blissful ignorance. Believe it or not, there are vast, vast areas of this country where you have to know a little more than that, and they are not all at the bottom of the totem pole either.
Essentially.
I have had the experience where using a wide-dispersion, flat response rig on stage (a pair of Meyer MSL2s on a pair of 650 subs) was troublesome to the other band members. When I was as loud as I liked to be on axis with an 810 cab, they found me too loud for them. But at the same on-axis volume with the 810, they didn't complain.
I've wondered about that - maybe too much off axis response might not work so great in some stage situations, since a player *should* be able to hear themselves best at their mic position, IMO... I'm guessing that wide dispersion might make it more difficult for other band members to hear themselves...
I always play and sing, and always have full PA support... I'll move around quite a bit when not singing, and definitely can't hear myself as well when switching stage sides with the guitarist, but it works out just fine... I'm thinking that some beaming is probably a good thing with a PA supported gig...
- georgestrings
Honestly, the answer to playing outdoor gigs without PA support is to get some PA support, not to change your rig... After all, just making the bass louder won't help the overall mix - what about the drums, and other instruments??
I don't think I've ever played a real gig outdoors that didn't have PA support - and don't desire to do so...
- georgestrings
Kinda what I was trying to get at.
There are situations, especially when PA is carrying the house, when having all backline sound going all directions is NOT the best way to do things.
Sorry, my post was dripping with more sarcasm than even I am used to. It was directed more at a common "Amps Section" behavior than an individual.
I guess I was venting my frustration in general with the persistent behavior in these sorts of threads to downplay or dismiss known issues simply because the vast majority uses rig configurations that employ them. I was thinking that since this is the case over, and over, and over again a vast amount of time, emotion and keystrokes could be saved by keeping it out of the discussion arena to begin with.
These threads all turn out the same way:
OP: What cab should I get?
Old School: Play what most people play... because that's what I use and most people do too
New School: Try some designs that are less than 40 years old, lots of improvements have been made.
Old School: Shut your pie hole, nobody wants your snake oil!
New School: But what about E=mc2??
Old School: None of those fancy science facts really matter and all my zillion gigs of experience prove it
New School: But what about PV=nRt?
Old School: <insert butt-hurt personal attack>
New School <insert retort and additional butt-hurt personal attack>
....Popcorn, get your popcorn here.
And where does that get us? Nowhere.
There is an incredible amount of knowledge and experience here that is being diluted by camp wars. It's just sad.
Also, getting event organizers to pony up for an outdoor PA is often out of the question if they haven't thought about it already. In our area it has become harder and harder for full bands to find gigs (lot's of DJ and acoustic stuff going on), let alone get a gig and start playing hardball with the event contact.
Often times we are stuck dealing with whatever is there when we show up.
Again, if that's your distorted view of how it is, that's on you. Not everyone is looking for pristine and perfect and it sure as heck doesn't make it wrong if it isn't.
people on here say the dumbest things i've ever heard. i just don't get it.
i've played hundreds of gigs without a monitor of any type. only hearing what was coming from the other band member's monitors that were 10ft away from where i was and the drum kit itself.
i've played gigs not using an amp at all and just going through a DI box. i couldn't even here myself but who cares? the drummer had the bass in his monitor and the others as well.
all you have to do is stick with the drummer and everything will be fine. that is who you should be listening to the most. not yourself so much. you can hear the guitars and singers from their monitors well enough to keep up with the song.
i'm starting to think that most people that post on here have never even played in a band before.
maybe they type on here are just really really picky about everything has to be perfect when they play i dunno. when i play i'm just like whatever man. i have no trouble staying with the rest of the band and playing a good show.
i've played hundreds of gigs without a monitor of any type. only hearing what was coming from the other band member's monitors that were 10ft away from where i was and the drum kit itself.
i've played gigs not using an amp at all and just going through a DI box. i couldn't even here myself but who cares? the drummer had the bass in his monitor and the others as well.
all you have to do is stick with the drummer and everything will be fine. that is who you should be listening to the most. not yourself so much. you can hear the guitars and singers from their monitors well enough to keep up with the song.
i'm starting to think that most people that post on here have never even played in a band before.
maybe they type on here are just really really picky about everything has to be perfect when they play i dunno. when i play i'm just like whatever man. i have no trouble staying with the rest of the band and playing a good show.
I know you were jkng, but for the record...1510 = worst cab ever to come out under the Ampeg name
EDIT: Oops...was thinking of the 1540 which was half 115 half 410. Never heard the 1510, but it doesn't sound promising, either.
I played a 1540 18-20 years ago, and I'm thinkin' it was a pretty decent cab. I was pushing it with an SVT 2 PRO, and I can almost remember the great punch of the 10's and the lows of the 15... Then again, I've had a whole lot to drink in those 18-20 years as well.... Take care,
Alan
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