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Your Opinion on 8x10's

#102
my single 12' can blow away 2 810s- it's really that good. So is my amp- it can blow away anything you bring to the table, and sound better doing it too. If I say it in every thread, over and over again, I'll even believe it. My two pieces of gear are the best and you should only buy them- they are, because I like them, the best. Get it?? peavey and greenboy have no competition- none because I said so. 810s are for idiots, because, again, I don't play them and I know best. Plus the numbers tell me so. Don't be an idiot, just listen to me because, I know!!!! Just having a little fun ;) Rock an 810 if you like them- I did for awhile and liked it. I don't now and like what I do play. But I also dig 810s.....
 
#103
Not to sidetrack this thread, but I have a question, as a guy who has never used an 810, but have drummed in bands where the bassist used an 810/svt combo.

I would LOVE to get an SVT, a Heritage or even just the Classic, but if I'm not going to get an 810, what cab could I use to do it justice? Now understand, I've just got this thing in my head, OCD, that I need a big cab with this amp. But I have no intention of ever lugging around an 810 when now I lug around a Berg AE212 at 55lbs and small footprint. What I'm saying is I'm lazy and don't want to lug around a 1515/66 or an NV610, etc. I can't wrap my head around having a cab that's 55lbs and a head that's 80lbs and can't even sit on top of it. What would be the smallest/best cab that could really do an SVT justice. Since we're talking about 810's I figured I'd throw this out there since it's something I've been thinking about. :D
 
#104
something, anything fearfull ;)
Seriously- if you need major league low end and depth, kick, punch etc you're going to need some speakers. Not one, but a few. There are a ton of options out there- get into some stores and play everything you can get your paws on!!
 
#106
weight doesn't matter. it has wheels on it. you just roll it. get a buddy to help if lifting is needed. not a big deal.

as for the low fequency thing again not a big deal. the 8x10 sounds great. the subs in the PA will put out the lower frequencies since it's getting the sound directly out of the head of the amp and not the speaker cabinet if you use the Direct Out XLR jack which is what i always do.
 
#108
Not sure if anyone has already said this bit I own an Ampeg 810 cab and despite being weighty it's actually easier to get around than anything I've ever owned smaller. It has wheels but because of the height if you angle it right then the weight pulls itself along. It's literally only getting it in and out of the car that requires effort and they aren't that heavy that you can't lift one end and slide it into a car. But that's not the advantage. Nor is the mega amount of sound they give. It's the fact that your cab stands tall and you can actually hear yourself fully without having to be far in front of the cab. Great for small stages/venues and on a big stage well...you can't go wrong.
 
#110
slade said:
my single 12' can blow away 2 810s- it's really that good. So is my amp- it can blow away anything you bring to the table, and sound better doing it too. If I say it in every thread, over and over again, I'll even believe it. My two pieces of gear are the best and you should only buy them- they are, because I like them, the best. Get it?? peavey and greenboy have no competition- none because I said so. 810s are for idiots, because, again, I don't play them and I know best. Plus the numbers tell me so. Don't be an idiot, just listen to me because, I know!!!! Just having a little fun ;) Rock an 810 if you like them- I did for awhile and liked it. I don't now and like what I do play. But I also dig 810s.....
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Ha ha. I am an idiot too. I have an 810 and like it. Heck I even mix it with a 15" cab at times. And it is even a different brand.
 
#111
jmcorn said:
Ha ha. I am thinking about trying the Ampeg 1510 after all this. It would blow away a 1515/66 or whatever. Jk
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I know you were jkng, but for the record...1510 = worst cab ever to come out under the Ampeg name ;)

EDIT: Oops...was thinking of the 1540 which was half 115 half 410. Never heard the 1510, but it doesn't sound promising, either.
 
#112
georgestrings said:
ported cab vs sealed cab, I'm not surprised - I would say your '66 vs my PH810 or a Megoliath would be a more realistic test... I will say that I have never been able to push my PH810 very hard at all, due to the massive amount of air it will move - and that there is no way I'll ever need more capability than that...


- georgestrings
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Well I am almost afraid to venture on this ground, but what the heck why not. As someone who has owned a SWR megoliath 810 and now has a 1515/66/1, i have done a side by side before, And i have to Say they are Both amazing Cabs!! I loved my 810 and if i was to recommend one to someone i would recommend Megoliath 810, It is one hell of a cab and can Leave you vision blurred and you pants soiled :eek: When it come to overall volume, wouldn't say my "66" burrys the 810 in Max SPLs, But it does get stupid Loud!! At the same time my 810 could not even come close to handling a low B with a good amount of Bass and sub bass eqing at loud volumes without farting all over the place. With the 66 I can lay into a Low B at loud volumes with a massive amount of Low End EQing and not get it to burp!!

......... NOW FOR THE CATCHER!!......

In a real life setting on a large stage, I am not eqing the snot out of my lowend due to the fact that i would get nothing but a blurry mess of mud. Yes The 66 is more clean and clear than any 810 cab i have played through when it comes to eqing it low, but things still will get muddy. As someone who eqs my rig Flat across the board (i know so exciting) there is really not much of a difference between the 2, say for the Off Axis dispersion of sound from the 1515/66/1 and compared to the 810. The 66 i find to be more balanced no matter where i am on stage, and there is not much change in sound no matter where i am at which is great. Whereas the 810 had more hot and Dead spots when moving about on stage. But really in the end i stand in front of my cab most all the time anyways so that really does not affect me as much as it did my band mates.

All And All Both Cabs are Killers in their own right. For me i prefer my fEARful, and most everyone that has played through it has LOVED it...esp sound guys, but they are not for everyone the same way an 810 or a 310 or an X10 or X whatever cab is not for everyone ether! For me if there was No Such thing as a fEARful or any other such said type of Hifi 2 and 3 way cabs, I would have another 810 In a heartBeat :bassist:!! hope i did not muddy the waters even more, just want to give a real world perspective on it! Cheers All ~Elliot
 
#115
JimmyM said:
I know you were jkng, but for the record...1510 = worst cab ever to come out under the Ampeg name ;)

EDIT: Oops...was thinking of the 1540 which was half 115 half 410. Never heard the 1510, but it doesn't sound promising, either.
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Yea I think it is a 1540. That must be why the fella wants $250 for it on CL.
 
#117
I toured with two 810's for many years and never really thought of them as all that tough to move around...in fact, I much preferred wheeling in one big cab than two medium sized cabs...heck of a lot quicker.

The only reason I schlep two medium sized cabs on the big gigs now is because I prefer the tone of my current stack over my old fridges.

I can understand if someone has chronic back problems, for sure, but I know dudes in their 60's who still schlep huge cabs into every gig...only hurts for a minute :)
 
#119
Fuzzbass said:
I believe Mark Reccord A/B'd the NV610 with a vintage flatback using a vintage SVT head, and preferred the Berg. Point is, the Berg is right there. I'm also glad to hear that Ampeg's new cabs are recreating the flatback/coffin tone. But I'm with you 100%: the Berg gives me the classic coffin tone, more than enough volume even in stoopid loud situations, but with less bulk and weight. So, the 8x10 (vintage, Heritage, or any other) is no longer on my radar.

No disrespect intended, of course. An Ampeg 8x10 was backline at a multi-band festival I did not too long ago; it sounded great. But I still prefer the NV.
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In terms of sonics, the flatback and the NV were almost totally indistinguishable from each other. No one would tell them apart in a blind test. The 3rd cabinet in that test was one of the "dark ages" 810s and was really outshined by both the flatback and the NV. I preferred the NV based on its more compact and lighter form factor. All of the newer 810s sound a lot better than the dark ages ones, but still not quite up to the flatback's level, though I haven't tried the heritage one yet, I don't think.

I'm plenty familiar with the science behind how speakers work and I'm sure that the fearful boxes perform admirably, but personally, I'm not interested in my cab being a big studio monitor. I'm also not sure that a wide-dispersion cabinet with massive low end extension is desirable in a lot of cases as that can often get in the way in terms of the overall mix.
 
#120
Mark Reccord said:
I'm plenty familiar with the science behind how speakers work and I'm sure that the fearful boxes perform admirably, but personally, I'm not interested in my cab being a big studio monitor. I'm also not sure that a wide-dispersion cabinet with massive low end extension is desirable in a lot of cases as that can often get in the way in terms of the overall mix.
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If I've done my reading right, fearful are more for people that either move around a lot on a large stage or need to be able to do a gig without any PA support. In either case, you would want the better dispersion and more "PA-like" characteristics (sound uncoloured by the cab). If you plan on staying within a 45 degree angle of the cab and have PA support, then the dispersion won't matter as much and an 810 may be the better option.
 

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