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Zoom B1Xon Settings Thread...... OMG
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Just a suggestion. Your rig sounds like what I use to practice minus the tactile transducer rig, which is just a Dayton Audio 8 ohm Puck hard wired into a DTA-1 battery power amp. I stick the Puck in my back pocket and the DTA on the floor (long heavy insulated wires). I use the splitter mentioned above to add the Puck rig in. Something you might consider to give you the feel of the bass at your gigs, if the IEMS don't totally do it for you.
My drummer and I both use IEMs in one of my bands. In my other band I'm the only one on IEM.
I've been using them for just over a year now. I'm also my main band's soundguy (we play mostly small venues, VFWs and such), and I've gotten them dialed in quite well after all this time.
The trick for me was adding a few ambient mics near the front of the drummers kit. We rarely mic the drums in the places we play, so this helps get everything into my ears. My monitor mix is very comfortable to play along to.
I may look into your "puck" idea. Sounds interesting.
I've been using them for just over a year now. I'm also my main band's soundguy (we play mostly small venues, VFWs and such), and I've gotten them dialed in quite well after all this time.
The trick for me was adding a few ambient mics near the front of the drummers kit. We rarely mic the drums in the places we play, so this helps get everything into my ears. My monitor mix is very comfortable to play along to.
I may look into your "puck" idea. Sounds interesting.
I also don't use an amp at all on stage. Been strictly DI for as long as I've been using IEM. Decided to make the switch due to hearing damage getting worse as the years go by. My ears thank me.
Not sure. I got mine from Amazon last week. I didn't see any signs of them being low in stock or anything. Also, the B1on/xon is still on Zoom's website.
Maybe Zoom will do us bassists a solid and combine the features of the B1xon and the B3 into a metal enclosure and treat us with something new. Wouldn't that be cool?
I'm pretty stoked over the sound of the B1xon. For $70, it's got all of the great tone that impressed me about the B3 I borrowed from a friend a few months back to try out. The only real gripe I have (other than the plastic enclosure) is the lack of a DI. I know I can do "work-arounds" with adapters and such, but for live use I prefer to avoid adapters as they can be prone to noise issues and accidental loss or breakage.
Besides, I've got room on my board for a few more pedals, so....
Maybe Zoom will do us bassists a solid and combine the features of the B1xon and the B3 into a metal enclosure and treat us with something new. Wouldn't that be cool?
I'm pretty stoked over the sound of the B1xon. For $70, it's got all of the great tone that impressed me about the B3 I borrowed from a friend a few months back to try out. The only real gripe I have (other than the plastic enclosure) is the lack of a DI. I know I can do "work-arounds" with adapters and such, but for live use I prefer to avoid adapters as they can be prone to noise issues and accidental loss or breakage.
Besides, I've got room on my board for a few more pedals, so....
Rip: You use the g and b in parallel or series? I like combining them too, but it gets a bit "mathy" figuring out gain stages, etc.
I use the b and g in series. B goes into G.
The g mainly sits on a bypass patch, unless I'm using a patch on the b that has run out of effect slots, or exceeded processor cavity.
So far (I just put this together over the weekend), I'm keeping things like delays and reverbs on the g, unless the patch on the b requires it to be there.
If it sounds confusing, it really isn't. There's very few patches that I'm using that have reverb or delay in them.
I also use the looper on the g. It just makes switching effects easier on the b when I'm golfing around with the looper.
The g mainly sits on a bypass patch, unless I'm using a patch on the b that has run out of effect slots, or exceeded processor cavity.
So far (I just put this together over the weekend), I'm keeping things like delays and reverbs on the g, unless the patch on the b requires it to be there.
If it sounds confusing, it really isn't. There's very few patches that I'm using that have reverb or delay in them.
I also use the looper on the g. It just makes switching effects easier on the b when I'm golfing around with the looper.
yep, lots of ways to do this. It sounds great in parallel in stereo too. Not very many sound systems that do stereo though, and for in the box stuff I use Ableton. But I am going to do a little fly in live rig the next few days. I have a dbx GO stereo di box that also has a few efx/comp/eq too, might be just the thing.
Indeed.
I get to try out the board at band practice this evening. Should be fun. My band is playing a last minute opener this weekend, so no pressure and we get to play all out heavier stuff. Exciting.
I get to try out the board at band practice this evening. Should be fun. My band is playing a last minute opener this weekend, so no pressure and we get to play all out heavier stuff. Exciting.
I think I may try running in stereo at band practice for my other band on Wednesday. Only one guitar in that band so I've got plenty of space to fill.
I'm going to go the route of a TRS insert cable on the output of the G1on into two DI boxes, instead of adapters. I want to make sure I'm preserving the stereo field as much as possible.
One cool thing to do is to use a stereo chorus with a really slow rate and wide depth to add some space to the tone without causing much modulation. I use similar settings on a couple of my mono patches as well, but it really should come alive in stereo.
I'm going to go the route of a TRS insert cable on the output of the G1on into two DI boxes, instead of adapters. I want to make sure I'm preserving the stereo field as much as possible.
One cool thing to do is to use a stereo chorus with a really slow rate and wide depth to add some space to the tone without causing much modulation. I use similar settings on a couple of my mono patches as well, but it really should come alive in stereo.
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Having said that:
Yeah, I played with a guy who used eDrums (funny how kids and wife make you want to think out of the box) and it was the best thing ever! Everybody used cans and plugged into the mixer which fed a headphone amp. No amps at all. It was a punk/power pop/whatever thing and we even used pre-recorded feedback
But I missed the FEELS, so I came upon the Puck and the DTA and had a buddy wire it up. If the transducer is in direct contact with your body, then you only need one and don't need a lot of power. And I run it full range. Drummer likes it too.I hear you on miking the drums. I always let the drums bleed into the other mics and mixed down to that. In fact, I recall Jimmy Page would mic Bonham out in the hallway at Headly Grange and Danny Carey of Tool uses two booms set in an arch over his kit.
Not sure I could deal with having the extra wires hanging off of me for the puck, but I have been considering one of those floor pad things. Thankfully my IEM mix is done by me, so I get exactly what I want in my ears. And I also use a couple of ambient mics to capture audience and (some) stage noise. All told, I don't really notice the difference until I take out the earbuds. Then I'm always amazed at the volume in the room and thankful for the IEMs.
Practice with the g/B1xon went great last night, aside from a few of patches needing a noise gate, which I hadn't noticed while setting up the patches at home.
Practice with the g/B1xon went great last night, aside from a few of patches needing a noise gate, which I hadn't noticed while setting up the patches at home.
It is difficult with the extra wires, although my solution was to make a "snake" with my patch cable and the speaker wire (it's very small wire. I'll PM you images if you'd like). Then just X duct taping the snake to the stage floor to keep it from pulling everything around. I should probably mount the B1Xon and DTA to a board with a powerstrip, but that would reduce their flexibility and compactness.
Glad the gig went well. Having the tech sorted out always makes them more enjoyable!
My thought is if I've found a tool that does the job I'd like it to be robust enough to last a while as a replacement may not be the same. I end up with two of many things. That can also be handy at gigs.
And that is another perfectly valid, reasonable approach. I just prefer to try new stuff when the old stuff wears out. No wrong; only right. Just like at Outback
I should add that redundancy of need is a great strategy. For example, I play through powered PA cabinets and all of those have a rudimentary (actually pretty robust, but not designed specifically for bass) preamp and EQ system that I have learned how to tailor to get a passable bass sound for monitoring and then there is always the direct to board option. This is why it's always important to RTFM and live with your gear before you fully integrate it.
Again, YMMV, IMO, IME, VWP, SAR.
I have the BX1 and liking it a lot, but I'm having a little trouble creating two patches I need:
a Palladino type of effect like on "come back and stay"
a synth '80 style ala Michael Jackson on "remember the time" or "shake your body"
Any suggestion?
thank you
a Palladino type of effect like on "come back and stay"
a synth '80 style ala Michael Jackson on "remember the time" or "shake your body"
Any suggestion?
thank you
