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Zoom B1Xon Settings Thread...... OMG
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There are threads here and elsewhere where people post photos of their (real) pedalboards. And there are YouTube videos of prominent players showing off their boards. Scanning through that stuff gave me a sense of what people tend to do in terms of selecting effects and putting them in an order that pleases them. General rule: compressor first, then fuzz, then phase and/or flanger and/or chorus, then amp/cab. More important rule: if it sounds good then it's right, regardless of the general rule.
Well, i set compressor as first, than EQ and after that anything alse - OD, Fuzz and other stuff. I dont like amp models in Zoom, so i dont use it
Find a preset you like, go into the screen and turn on/off each module..listen to what they do. This thing can be as simple or as deep as you want it to be, so maybe an easy goal would be first. What does the SVT amp sim sound like? just that could take you a while. Then add an easy effect. Sorry if this is simplistic, but as you'll see, it gets over the top deep pretty quickly.
Not to change the subject (but I will! 
. I have really been having a little too much fun with my g1on and b1Xon..as in I am now getting paranoid about the enclosures spontaneously combusting..being broken in 1/2, etc..or just the mysterious "one day it worked, the next day it didn't"...When these things came out I could not figure out why, with the usb port (that I use to power mine with my samsung phone charger..mof , both of them) ZOOM didn't make some feeble attempt at a librarian/backup. I base this on the fact that when you update the OS, it also adds efx (60 in the last one!) and patches etc, along with the OS. When I started grousing (complaining) about this, a few shadowy people said..ah ez hack...but nothing ever came of it. So yep..how's about a librarian? Also..I bet the pedals are the same inside, so if you had that librarian, you could make the G a B and vice versa..or mix in some of the stuff from the G to the B..all this seems entirely possible to me, yet nobody ever brings it up. I wrote ZOOM..and this is what they said:
The space denotes their reply. Also..anyone here even looked into a rehouse?
. I have really been having a little too much fun with my g1on and b1Xon..as in I am now getting paranoid about the enclosures spontaneously combusting..being broken in 1/2, etc..or just the mysterious "one day it worked, the next day it didn't"...When these things came out I could not figure out why, with the usb port (that I use to power mine with my samsung phone charger..mof , both of them) ZOOM didn't make some feeble attempt at a librarian/backup. I base this on the fact that when you update the OS, it also adds efx (60 in the last one!) and patches etc, along with the OS. When I started grousing (complaining) about this, a few shadowy people said..ah ez hack...but nothing ever came of it. So yep..how's about a librarian? Also..I bet the pedals are the same inside, so if you had that librarian, you could make the G a B and vice versa..or mix in some of the stuff from the G to the B..all this seems entirely possible to me, yet nobody ever brings it up. I wrote ZOOM..and this is what they said:The space denotes their reply. Also..anyone here even looked into a rehouse?
Rules? Not so much. Conventions, maybe?
The easiest approach to it is to get a feel for each of the individual virtual pedals in terms of what they do to your sound, then treat it like you would a pedalboard, lining the effects up with regards to the fact that two pedals are going to sound different with one before the other than they will the other way around.
Don't feel obligated to pile on a bunch all at once- most of my patches only use about two pedals, one to color the sound and one to add the appropriate amount of reverb. That said, a good patch can easily make use of all five available slots- EQ and compression pedals are a good choice anywhere, adjusted entirely to taste, but nothing is required.
Since the B1on/Xon isn't really set up to turn individual effects on and off quickly (it's doable but cumbersome) you'll do well to make several patches to account for all the different sounds you might want to achieve. You've got lots of space, so you might try starting with simple, utilitarian patches you can imagine using anywhere and building up to crazier ones, or if you anticipate needing multiple different sounds for one song you might put them next to each other.
There are some common conventions when it comes to effects design- reverb usually goes last in the chain, for example, and compression tends to go first, but these are really just suggestions. Go have fun and get wild. Make some weird stuff. Take chances, make mistakes, get messy.
Ain't nobody gonna call the effects police.
--^@
Adamixoye
A PT Pro is cool for worship, right?
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This doesn't work for you?
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Hey! Wait a minute! That's not ZOOM's feeble attempt at a librarian/backup!
That's MY feeble attempt at a librarian/backup!
Hey! Wait a minute!
Oh, don't worry. Hope it helps.
There's an update on the way. (Too busy though atm with Zoom pedal interface )
wow...I was following this when it started, but FAILED to follow and there it is. THANK YOU, I am going to do this today right now immediately if not sooner.
!!!!!!!! and you finished the controller. I am amazed at what you have accomplished. Watching the 3 vids especially the end of #3, when you go into midi control. A rig controlled via footpedals/buttons..AND tabletop midi controller(s)..inexpensive used Korg nano series w/sliders. Wow, just plain wow. thanks.
dl'd the librarian, backed up both pedals (THANKS AGAIN), tried a few of the patches..will dl some of mine, which are pretty outside..some would say USELESS, but there's quite a lot hiding in these pedals that make for great experiments. Really interested in the controller, especially if it will be able to use the simple Korg nano usb controllers..being able to mix and trigger the efx, do stutter things with a finger tip, as well as use an x/y pad to do Kaos type things.
Also..I went back to the Zoom forum today, the one I gave up on over a year ago..and sure enough there were announcements..but after waiting and wading through that for over a year, I gave up on it. It still is badly organized, etc.
I don't know much about Zoom the corporation..I see they just went public. I have this theory that there are a few brilliant engineers in the pedal department who come up with crazy inexpensive tools that people consider plastic toys, but in reality are useful. They have a little lab in the basement of the monolith. They amuse themselves..ah..let's make a Strymon copy! then they knock one off in an hour and go to lunch. Come back and make a few Zoom originals (noise reduction works great) then they tell marketing to sell the pedal for $0.01. Meanwhile, the corporation is focusing on hd cameras and recorders, and has pretty much forgotten the engineers in the basement. I almost feel like sending them a note..something that says we are on to what you guys are doing, on to the fact you are great engineers with big ears..and please keep up your work. Dr Dash Dot, same applies to you sir. expect an order soon after I get my thoughts/questions organized.
Also..I went back to the Zoom forum today, the one I gave up on over a year ago..and sure enough there were announcements..but after waiting and wading through that for over a year, I gave up on it. It still is badly organized, etc.
I don't know much about Zoom the corporation..I see they just went public. I have this theory that there are a few brilliant engineers in the pedal department who come up with crazy inexpensive tools that people consider plastic toys, but in reality are useful. They have a little lab in the basement of the monolith. They amuse themselves..ah..let's make a Strymon copy! then they knock one off in an hour and go to lunch. Come back and make a few Zoom originals (noise reduction works great) then they tell marketing to sell the pedal for $0.01. Meanwhile, the corporation is focusing on hd cameras and recorders, and has pretty much forgotten the engineers in the basement. I almost feel like sending them a note..something that says we are on to what you guys are doing, on to the fact you are great engineers with big ears..and please keep up your work. Dr Dash Dot, same applies to you sir. expect an order soon after I get my thoughts/questions organized.
Adamixoye
A PT Pro is cool for worship, right?
- Apr 9, 2012
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- Occasional Beta Tester for Confusion Studios, Singular Sound, and Source Audio
I felt the same way about the Korg engineers who were doing the amp modelers a long while back..the whole emphasis was away from efx pedals and on to whatever the trend was in keyboards..with the result that some of their stuff, in small cheap looking plastic boxes, was going for peanuts. But they had big ears, and if I am not mistaken, were the people behind the Vox stuff, which usually got good reviews, especially when emulating Vox and Marshall amps because parent company.. So, you know, put the G and B's in a big "built like a tank" box blablabla. With this librarian eliminating about 75% of my worries (or more, because I can replace the hardware for <$50, and have cloud storage when I play in europe and lose the pedals..) I am looking fwd to integrating a few solid working useful things (the controller and korg nanos) into The Mess, which is the name of my ever changing tabletop/floor noise machine.
What might the update bring? It's pretty useful now.
Simple stuff, but useful: patch rename function, ability to load patches from other pedals from local storage (at present only does that from the online board) and expanded ability to load patches from compatible pedals. At present, I think this works for G1and B1 series pedals. With latest upgrades, I think trying MS-70 patches on MS-50 (and vice versa) might be worth adding.
Automatic login to the patch sharing forum, maybe. (Optionally.)
Plus maybe a few other message popups here and there. Nothing too ambitious or difficult. It is free, after all.
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I enjoy this narrative, I'm not sure I 100% believe it, but I enjoy it.
Yeah, that bit about Zoom engineers wanting to sell for 0.01 is a bit absurd.
Otherwise, johnp352 is spot on. I'd score him 98% believable. (and I'm a hard marker.)
(Also, thanks johnp352 for your kind comments. Except calling me an engineer - made me twitch. I'll put more info on the facebook page when things are ready to go again - couple of weeks, I'd guess.)
Well you are an engineer in my book. Afa selling it for a penny..in my fictional world of corporate Zoom, the engineers are all for putting their mighty output in the hands of everybody..by suggesting a cent, they saw to it marketing would charge 5000 x that, and thereby make it gasp affordable. Next time I play in Japan, I am going to see if I can stop by Zoom and take them out for a long liquid lunch. Can't wait for the next step in your Controller. I wish I could just send you a nano controller to test it with, I have the feeling it will be a perfect fit. Not only the mixer, but the pads with the x/y pad...which can be removed with some skill and a blowtorch. I mean to say that even I was able to do it, and my wife wont let me get within 20 feet of a soldering gun.
if they outsource design work, they should outsource the controller to you and pay you a lot of money.
