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Zoom B3 As Preamp

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I've been rehearsing in a tiny studio these past few weeks. To save on space I decided to go amp-less and use IEMs.

The others on headphones are also stoked because they can finally hear that juicy tone that I've been on about all this time.
 
I have been using my B3 with an
EV LIVEX 15" POWERED MONITOR.
Sounds great! Easy setup!
I may never use a traditional bass amp/cab system again!
My ultimate goal is to use in-ear with the B3 and wireless!

Good to hear. I noticed the EV too. Just a personal "thing," but looks matter some. If I do this, I don't want a monitor that screams out "Hey, I'm a PA top!"

The EV is definitely a nice looking. I'd like to see what a 12" can do. The wood cabinet 15s seem to get into the weight range that's not so attractive as an alternative to using my 410.

I've been using the B3 with Line6 G50 and IEMs since I got it. No amps at rehearsal is nice.

I've only had one experience ampless on stage so far. It took half of the night to adapt, but the B3 did well.
 
Good to hear. I noticed the EV too. Just a personal "thing," but looks matter some. If I do this, I don't want a monitor that screams out "Hey, I'm a PA top!"

The EV is definitely a nice looking. I'd like to see what a 12" can do. The wood cabinet 15s seem to get into the weight range that's not so attractive as an alternative to using my 410.

I've been using the B3 with Line6 G50 and IEMs since I got it. No amps at rehearsal is nice.

I've only had one experience ampless on stage so far. It took half of the night to adapt, but the B3 did well.

A good, lightweight option would be a fEarless cab. I think the 12" version can keep up with most 15" PA tops, and has better low end. Looks like a bass cab, is a bass cab, is also neutral enough to be a monitor.

I don't know if there are builders who'd combine it with an amp module if you want powered. Another option would be to combine it with the micro head of your choice - this would give you some control over your stage sound back, without changing FOH tone (which you dial in on the B3).
 
Charlie, got a quick question. I am now the proud owner of TWO B3s. I am daisy chaining them and using one mainly for amp modeling and the other for effects. Question I am currently running guitar 1/4" into "Effects B3" to mono line out to 1/4" in "Modeling B3" to 1/4" out to my Crown XLS 1500.
This works well for practice, but would I be better off to utilize the balanced line out from B3 to B3? It may just be a preference thing, but I admire the way your mind turns on issues like this. So what's your opinion? Also, should I continue to put "Effects B3" signal in front of the other B3? Thanks in advance.
 
Charlie, got a quick question. I am now the proud owner of TWO B3s. I am daisy chaining them and using one mainly for amp modeling and the other for effects. Question I am currently running guitar 1/4" into "Effects B3" to mono line out to 1/4" in "Modeling B3" to 1/4" out to my Crown XLS 1500.
This works well for practice, but would I be better off to utilize the balanced line out from B3 to B3? It may just be a preference thing, but I admire the way your mind turns on issues like this. So what's your opinion? Also, should I continue to put "Effects B3" signal in front of the other B3? Thanks in advance.

Congrats and thanks for the compliment!

To connect the first B3 to the second B3 I would only suggest use of a short, quality 1/4" unbalanced cable from the L/MONO out of the first, sending B3 to the INPUT jack on the second, receiving B3.

Ultimately, the INPUT on the receiving B3 is unbalanced, therefore there is nothing to be gained by trying to feed it using the sending B3's XLR out. Additionally, with especially short cables runs, the difference between balanced and unbalanced connections are negligible at best.

I personally would treat the Effect-modeling B3 as the first, sending B3 that your bass plugs into and have the Amp/Cab-modeling B3 as the second, receiving B3.

Cheers!
 
Hi CharlieC

& everybody else... ;-)

just subscribed to this thread & am loving it !! i accidentally found this since my 30 year old Peavey Combo 300 ''died'' on me last week & i went browsing for a second hand replacement or something
low & behold i stumbled across a couple of power amps ( a QSC & a Crown..) fairly cheap & it hit me: could i use my B3 as a pre ?

Googled that up & BUM !! there you were guys, trading all these nifty patches & stuff

won't stop until i read it all - many thanks for sharing & congrats
 
Hi CharlieC

& everybody else... ;-)

just subscribed to this thread & am loving it !! i accidentally found this since my 30 year old Peavey Combo 300 ''died'' on me last week & i went browsing for a second hand replacement or something
low & behold i stumbled across a couple of power amps ( a QSC & a Crown..) fairly cheap & it hit me: could i use my B3 as a pre ?

Googled that up & BUM !! there you were guys, trading all these nifty patches & stuff

won't stop until i read it all - many thanks for sharing & congrats

Thanks and welcome!

We are lucky to have a great bunch of contributors to this thread and hope you will post of your experiences as well.

Cheers!
 
The Secret Of Mix And Match

The Zoom B3 features very impressive simulations of 12 popular bass amplifiers. Each of the simulations has a default associated speaker cabinet, but one can freely choose to pair it from a total of 12 popular speaker cabinets. IMHO both the amplifier and speaker cabinet sims are the best I have ever encountered, but I needed to find them as they did not find me at first!

Many of us consider a device's preset patches to be dismissible, even those pre-programmed by the product's celebrity endorsers, and the Zoom B3 is no exception here. But even rolling your own custom patches from scratch comes with little-known, hidden surprises.

You see, when one selects an amplifier simulation, the B3 initially defaults all parameter settings for the selected sim. The problem with this is that the default value of the most powerful parameter is set ineffectively, across the board, for all of the 12 amplifier sims. Unless you know what to change and why, you may still end-up being short-changed.

To be specific, there exists a "Mix" parameter for each B3 amplifier sim that should be set based on your connected equipment, usage intent, and ultimately, the tone that is desired. The "Mix" in this case is the level of the preamp simulation vs. the cabinet-effected simulation. The lukewarm default for all amp sims on the B3 is always an ineffective 50%. Yes, you will hear something using that value, but it most likely is not exactly what you want to hear.

To keep things simple for now, I will only focus on this "Mix" parameter for the amp sims and not any other patch-level (i.e. TOTAL menu) or device-level (i.e. GLOBAL menu) parameters.

For my "power amp and real bass cabinets" situation (see my previous posts) I have found the best results are achieved using 100% of the preamp sim and 0% of the cabinet sim. This equates to a "Mix" parameter value of 0 and NOT the default value of 50. IMHO this difference has a very measurable impact on the resulting tone and is worthy of your attention and experimentation.

In situations where you are feeding a mixer, recorder or projecting through a full-range monitor speaker (QSC K, Mackie SRM, etc.) I have found the best results are achieved using 0% of the preamp sim and 100% of the cabinet sim. This equates to a "Mix" parameter value of 100 and NOT the default value of 50. Try it for yourself and it is likely the B3 will then become your new best friend.

Certainly mine are not set rules and perhaps some other subtle "Mix" values may better work for your scenarios, but at least the secret of the powerful "Mix" parameter is now exposed!

Cheers!


Hi, I just got a B3 and have been following your great thread. I was wondering when you say "mix," do you mean "cab mix?" So, if I was playing live through my mark bass 4/10 cab and FOH, then I would want my "cab mix" set at "0" correct? and if I were playing in studio or no cabinet only a PA, then my preamp needs to be "100". What knob adjusts my preamp levels? I noticed a "level" knob on page 2 of most amplifiers patches. Is that it?

Thanks.....
 
Hi, I just got a B3 and have been following your great thread. I was wondering when you say "mix," do you mean "cab mix?" So, if I was playing live through my mark bass 4/10 cab and FOH, then I would want my "cab mix" set at "0" correct? and if I were playing in studio or no cabinet only a PA, then my preamp needs to be "100". What knob adjusts my preamp levels? I noticed a "level" knob on page 2 of most amplifiers patches. Is that it?

Thanks.....

Congrats on your new B3!

The "Mix" parameter found on Page 3 of most amp sims adjusts the balance of the signal after the preamp vs. the signal after the cabinet. The range for this parameter are values from 0-100, where 0 = 100% preamp + 0% cabinet, 50 = 50% preamp + 50% cabinet, 100 = 0% preamp + 100% cabinet, etc.

The "Level" parameter found on Page 2 of most amp sims adjusts the output level of the resulting amp simulation (after Mix) in the signal chain. The range for this parameter are values from 0-150.

I created a few posts in this thread on "Mix" and "Level" parameter values and how/why I use them, but in the end, it is entirely up to your ear and tone goals.

Cheers!
 
Congrats on your new B3!

The "Mix" parameter found on Page 3 of most amp sims adjusts the balance of the signal after the preamp vs. the signal after the cabinet. The range for this parameter are values from 0-100, where 0 = 100% preamp + 0% cabinet, 50 = 50% preamp + 50% cabinet, 100 = 0% preamp + 100% cabinet, etc.

The "Level" parameter found on Page 2 of most amp sims adjusts the output level of the resulting amp simulation (after Mix) in the signal chain. The range for this parameter are values from 0-150.

I created a few posts in this thread on "Mix" and "Level" parameter values and how/why I use them, but in the end, it is entirely up to your ear and tone goals.

Cheers!


Once again thanks for your help. This is a great thread to learn from and give back to the b3 community. One more quick question. Does it matter as far as cab "mixes" is concerned if your gonna be using in ear monitors and using real cabinets to have the "mix" set as 100?

Once again thanks......
 
Once again thanks for your help. This is a great thread to learn from and give back to the b3 community. One more quick question. Does it matter as far as cab "mixes" is concerned if your gonna be using in ear monitors and using real cabinets to have the "mix" set as 100?

Once again thanks......

Thanks!

The situtation you just mentioned is one of the reasons I started this thread.

IMHO, the B3 excels like no other preamp when connected to full-range equipment like powered monitors, mixers/recorders, PA, IEMs, etc. due to its robust and flexible cabinet sims and the "Mix" parameter. IMO, things take a step backward when also trying to simultaneously output to actual bass speakers/cabinets (see past posts for details.)

In short, the scenario you described with a "Mix" value of 100 will produce sound in both your IEMs and real cabinets, but IMHO the IEM sound should be close to spectacular, but the real cabinet sound may appear to come from under a thick, heavy blanket unless you either compensate with the "Mix" value and/or leverage my "Tweeter" workaround (again, see past posts for details.)

Experiment and have fun!
 
I was using the B3 in the studio this weekend, and discovered that the 1/4" out was about half the volume of the balanced out. For some reason, I don't think this is right.

I have my Global, total and patch volumes set at 50%. I found that running anything higher was way to hot for whatever I plugged it into. I normally use the balanced line into my amp, so I never noticed this disparity in volume levels until this Monday.

I welcome advice and feedback.


Oh, and the recording sounds freakin' amazing. I am really happy with the bass sound right off the board.
 
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