Yup, I know, thx. But if I do that, I'll have to redo all my other patches, right ? Or is there a way I can "permanently" save patches ?
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Zoom MS-60B announced... at last
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Yup, I know, thx. But if I do that, I'll have to redo all my other patches, right ? Or is there a way I can "permanently" save patches ?
Problem solved. I did deactivate the patch by clicking the switch while modifying it. Went back into back and clicked it back on. So the full reggae deepness is back.
This pedal is basically a computer, so like with every computer, one mouse slip and BANG !
Very well explained to the old geezer I am, thx, this way is working out very well !
Has anyone been hearing any faint digital interference from their MS-60B? I have heard it a few times with my Pedal board, but not all the time.
We did a live recording of out gig today, and you could hear it clearly with my channel solo'd. Not terrible, but not acceptable either. All my pedals are daisy chained, it might be time to try powering it differently.
We did a live recording of out gig today, and you could hear it clearly with my channel solo'd. Not terrible, but not acceptable either. All my pedals are daisy chained, it might be time to try powering it differently.
Nothing yet, even when I had it connected to My Shure digital wireless base unit through an extremely short (3") patchcord.
Perhaps you have a high-gain circuit nearby (fuzz, perhaps?) that's susceptible, or a patchcord with poor shielding.
What about your power supply? If you under-power the pedal enough, you might cause some noise from the PS. Come to think of it, perhaps that's why Zoom recommends a 500ma feed...
Plenty of power - 2000mA for the board. everything is Daisy chained. I was using a X2 wireless also, but I have heard this noise using a lead with the X2 off, so I'm confident it isn't that. I made all the leads for this board with Canare cable and Amphenol connectors, but I will check.
The Foldback was passive wedges, so there was a fairly significant speaker cable along with a power cable near the board, so that was a possible cause i suppose. I will investigate tomorrow after some sleep. There's always something!
Aside from that though, epic tone, VT Bass, MS-60B etc running to a QSC PLX1804, into a Berg NV412. It sounded massive.
Well, yes but the patches are basically small pedal boards, and when you stomp individual pedals on and off the Zoom remembers that; it doesn't default everything back to "on" when you scroll to a different patch. It sounds like you just turned off one of the pedals in the Reggae chain, which I do from time to time.
No perma-save as of yet. Factory reset does indeed wipe out any patches you've made.
It may be something in the daisy chaining. I had a bunch of pedals daisy chained with a couple power supplies in the studio last week and had to remove the Zoom because of noise. I didn't have or take time to trouble shoot other than to figure out it was the MS-60b, but I think it may have been the shared ground thing. I don't really use it in that band, just wanted it for some modulation options, so I yanked it.
On my other band's Nano, which is OD/Preamp>Fuzz>MS-60b>tuner (daisy chained on a diago micropower), I never have any noise.
I was playing with my 60b last night and I think I'm going to start using the SVT model as an always on effect. I tweaked it a little more last night and it sounds sweet! I have an ie sub-t coming tomorrow so I'm not sure if its going to stay on my board though, I'm running out of room for real. Ran out actually. I really dig the 60b but it may not make the cut. Even still IMO it's an invaluable pedal to have in my arsenal so I may just save it for when I make another board around Christmas time.
I did a quick A/B with the VT I added to my board 2 weeks agon and when tweaked right, the patch comes so close that I'm pretty sure most people won't hear the difference. Amazing little bugger, ain't it.
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Finally got some time to test power supplies and compare noise with the Zoom...
Well, I dig this pedal overall - amazing bang-for-the-buck to say the least! It does introduce a little noise though - some effects worse than others. Reverbs and long decay delays in particular.
I didn't notice much of this noise (I'd describe it as similar to digital clock noise but without the 'beating') through a tweeterless amp - but I did hear it when tracking and through an Aguilar SL112 with the tweeter halfway up. t's not annoyingly loud by any stretch, but it is there & the only way to get rid of it is too use a true bypass loop to take the pedal entirely out of the signal chain.
The noise probably isn't enough to discourage me from using it in a live context - or on at-home demos, but I'd be wary about taking it into a professional studio on a session. (First you have to defeat the engineers Zoom bias & then when the noise gets heard - game over!)
Great pedal though & I'll be hanging on to it most likely.
I used a variety of powering options, all with identical results:
Visual Sound 1700ma OneSpot
VooDoo LAbs Pedal Power 2+ with a 250ma outlet
Decibel Eleven Hot Stone Deluxe 400ma outlet
Fulltone wall wart 300ma
An older EBS branded 1000ma switching supply (looks suspiciously like a OneSpot)
Well, I dig this pedal overall - amazing bang-for-the-buck to say the least! It does introduce a little noise though - some effects worse than others. Reverbs and long decay delays in particular.
I didn't notice much of this noise (I'd describe it as similar to digital clock noise but without the 'beating') through a tweeterless amp - but I did hear it when tracking and through an Aguilar SL112 with the tweeter halfway up. t's not annoyingly loud by any stretch, but it is there & the only way to get rid of it is too use a true bypass loop to take the pedal entirely out of the signal chain.
The noise probably isn't enough to discourage me from using it in a live context - or on at-home demos, but I'd be wary about taking it into a professional studio on a session. (First you have to defeat the engineers Zoom bias & then when the noise gets heard - game over!)
Great pedal though & I'll be hanging on to it most likely.
I used a variety of powering options, all with identical results:
Visual Sound 1700ma OneSpot
VooDoo LAbs Pedal Power 2+ with a 250ma outlet
Decibel Eleven Hot Stone Deluxe 400ma outlet
Fulltone wall wart 300ma
An older EBS branded 1000ma switching supply (looks suspiciously like a OneSpot)
Gator's G-BUS-8 also works well with it. My current board is dead quiet (not a lot on it, thx to the MS60B). My old DC-Brick also did the job (black model), even though the mA capacity isn't as high as the new silver model.
This is how I use all of my patches. I use the letter mode to quickly pull up the patch I want to use for the next song, then switch out of letter select mode. During the song I then only engage/disengage that one patch. So for me it doesn't replace a whole pedal board. But it does extend my nano in incredibly flexible ways, as the 60Beast (yeah I'm stealing that reference!) can be just about anything- light delay, ridiculous delay and reverb, comp, slight OD, EQ and pre-amp, filter, octaver, chorus, flanger, or synth multi-effect patch. I am making a bunch of different chorus and flanger patches now, different flavors. I am also going to out three Detunes together and try to mimic the Polytope. I am using a single Detune and it is close, i think with multiple voices it will nail it. I am just loving it used this way.
@Scotch: unfortunately this doesn't surprise me. I have always been going forward on the assumption that the 60Beast is a great live tool, but that I was going to be pretty amazed if a $100 multi-effect stompbox was clean enough for the studio. Like I doubt the compressor models would work in the studio either. Maybe a filter patch, or pre and EQ setting- maybe. But heck, if it was studio grade I would start to have real trouble justifying my boutique effects purchases and ownership, so actually I'm just fine that it doesn't completely defy all laws of physics and commercial electronics technology!
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It's really not "fair" to compare the $99 Zoom multi-effect against a $250 dedicated box toe-to-toe. Overall, though the Zoom is really useable and would probably work fine in the studio for a lot of people! Not everyones studio situation is at the same level of scrutiny, afterall.
I haven't spent much time with the compressors. I use one in an envelope follower patch I setup, but otherwise I haven't really played with them much.
For less than a hundred bucks, I'm still impressed with mine! Impressed, but not confident that it will perform like a 250 dollar pedal comp or certainly not a thousand dollar studio comp!
I haven't spent much time with the compressors. I use one in an envelope follower patch I setup, but otherwise I haven't really played with them much.
For less than a hundred bucks, I'm still impressed with mine! Impressed, but not confident that it will perform like a 250 dollar pedal comp or certainly not a thousand dollar studio comp!
I'd be very interested in this poly patch if you get it close holme. Can you post your settings when you're done with it please? Thanks!
Sure thing Gregmon. Yeah Scotch, I wasn't really criticizing the 60Beast, just acknowledging some limitations. For $99 they hit it out of the park as far as I am concerned, this is an amazingly useful and fun effects processor.
It beat out the $230 Diamond Bass Compressor for me.
Certainly not in the same league as a $1,000 rackmount, but I'm not about to throw one of those into my gigbag either...
I've been having fun with this pedal plugged into an old boom box radio mic input, I use the noise reduction effect to pad the input with the SVT setting tweaked to my liking. I'm just flipping through the radio dial playing along to anything from "The Offspring to "Katy Perry". Sounds very believable especially with a decent set of headphones. I also have a Sansamp setting I use with the 10 band eq in front. it has way more mids & low mids than your typical straight sansamp tone.
FYI, if you ever want to restore a factory patch you have overwritten without doing a factory reset and losing all your personal custom patches here is a list of the patches as they appeared on my MS-60B when it was fresh out of the box.
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