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12 year old know it all!...Not!

I'm legitimately surprised at the way some of you people view children in this thread.

A 12 year old spoke to an adult, and that's instantly disrespectful? How? Why? OK, so maybe the boy wasn't the most polite, but still to think that a child must remain silent in the face of an adult is baffling; moreso when I see people suggesting that this is a root cause in the failure of the newer generations overall.

JFC, some of you people have awful opinions and I'm glad I'm not related to you.

I'm 42. While I might suggest to my eight year olds to come across a little more polite in a discussion if I was the parent, I hardly think that one of them daring to speak to an adult is as grevious as sin. Frankly, I'd be happy my kids were outgoing enough to engage with someone, even.

I don't even have enough left in me to comment on the fat comments or weirdly aggressive behaviour of the OP. -shrug-
 
I'm legitimately surprised at the way some of you people view children in this thread.

A 12 year old spoke to an adult, and that's instantly disrespectful? How? Why? OK, so maybe the boy wasn't the most polite, but still to think that a child must remain silent in the face of an adult is baffling; moreso when I see people suggesting that this is a root cause in the failure of the newer generations overall.

JFC, some of you people have awful opinions and I'm glad I'm not related to you.

I'm 42. While I might suggest to my eight year olds to come across a little more polite in a discussion if I was the parent, I hardly think that one of them daring to speak to an adult is as grevious as sin. Frankly, I'd be happy my kids were outgoing enough to engage with someone, even.

I don't even have enough left in me to comment on the fat comments or weirdly aggressive behaviour of the OP. -shrug-
Speaking to an adult or asking questions is one thing. Correcting a stranger and/or bragging to one is another....dontcha think?
 
Speaking to an adult or asking questions is one thing. Correcting a stranger and/or bragging to one is another....dontcha think?

I do think, actually, which is why I understand that a 12 year old child hasn't effectively figured out how to interact with people and is still developing his social skills and critical thinking and thus doesn't need to be insulted, treated like an idiot, or shamed for daring to try and interact on a mature level.
 
I thought I'd seen the dumbest threads and posters at some of the more "out there" politics sites but this is 10 pages of weapons-grade stupidity and self-aggrandizing crap, the likes of which I've never seen or imagined.

Please proceed, everybody. You've already made my day a great one.

Also: OP - heckuva job. Sheer genius. You win the Weev Award of 2016.
 
I appreciate your explanation of your word choice, and your level headed response to criticism, it is refreshing to be able to engage in these kind of conversations on the internet without it turning into insult hurling.

I still disagree with your assumptions of character. I grew up on free lunch and food stamps, i dont snatch purses or steal cars. I started working full time at 16 because my dad couldnt make child support most months. I dont snatch purses or steal cars. I qork retail because on paper that is what i am qualified for, i have enough to eat and a home, but statistically speaking my anual income is below the national poverty line. I dont snatch purses or steal cars.

I am neither the exception to the rule or the standard of poor people, because people can not be generalised the way you want to. I have met more hard working poor people who appreciate what they have than the opposite. Most of the untrustworthy shady people i meet come from middle class backgrounds.

As far as the land of opportunity pull yourself up from the bootstraps portion of the post is concerned, i went to a high school in a poor neighborhood, the district was nearly bankrupt, good grades from my high school were not considered equivilant to good grades from other schools in the region on a college application, you had to be beyond an excellent over achieving student to be given the same consideration as an pretty good above average student from a better school.

This has gotten long, and quite possibly convoluted.
I agree completely with your post. One of the great tragedies in the U.S., to me, is honest, hard working people that are "stuck" in a poor area and the stigmatism that goes with it. And I've said to people since the 90's that one of the hardest things about being poor is getting through being "poor in spirit".

I articulate it this way: I don't have the drive or understanding (or connections) to do financially well that a child of a Rockefeller or Kennedy does. So, though I may be more capable, honest and hard working than someone from either of those clans, I will probably achieve less, partly due to less confidence in success as well as less confidence in my own abilities. A person who is raised in a poor area has that same problem relative to me, only amplified by several orders of magnitude. I'm amazed at those that make it out.

I actually read an article a few months ago that said that the rate of Americans rising up from the level of our society at which they were born is actually lower than it is in some European countries.

One of the challenges my wife and I accept in our part of KY is nurturing every young person we can find regarding the opportunity that is out there and the tools available to them. I'm a HUGE fan of Kahnacademy. Any kid with access to a computer and the internet can literally educate him or herself through high school via that site, and be more well educated than the lions share of the rest of the kids in the nation. And computer acces in the U.S. is now virtually universal, unless you are one of the VERY rare cases (as with some of my neighbors (that have not really entered the 20th, much less the 21st century.

I must take issue with one thing, though. It is important to "generalize" people if for no other reason than to ensure you don't get killed. It doesn't mean you do a "hard" generalization. It means you form a first impression by what you see. Their sex, their dress, their use of language, their race, their age, where they live. You don't take action on the profile you create. You use it as a starting point. You begin a conversation "tentatively" based on all this information. You initially respond to a street kid in a dirty hoody differently than a 70 year old white man in a tux that just stepped out of a Rolls. You are also probably going to be more careful about locking your car around one vs the other. That is not unreasonable.

BTW, I attended the Nordstrom sales training a few decades ago. One of their main points was to not judge a book by its cover and they drove it home with a dramatization. But we all know that only goes so far. Sometimes the cover is dead on. And sometimes your very survival depends on recognising it.

All that being said, When my tentative comments and questions prove my initial profiling results were incorrect, I modify my approach. I've walked up to scary looking people in "scary" neighborhoods that turned out to be very nice guys and we got along great. But sometimes the warning signs are real. And some of those people do not see their fellow man as I do. I'm a domesticated dog and they are a wolf. It's best that I carry.
 
I do think, actually, which is why I understand that a 12 year old child hasn't effectively figured out how to interact with people and is still developing his social skills and critical thinking and thus doesn't need to be insulted, treated like an idiot, or shamed for daring to try and interact on a mature level.
Buts it's OK for him to try and shame and embarrassment a 56 year old man...that's great....let's give him a treat for such good behavior...
I think at 12/most kids have a good idea about what is and isn't disrespectful to adults..they have had enough teacher interaction to learn that I'm sure...if they don't it's the parents fault...but most do by that time..
 
Such stupid kids these days! If I was in that situation, I would have just asker the little brat to play some fall out boy. If he fails at something as simple as that, that tells me all I need to know about his ability!
 
Yep.

I was in Seattle in the international district in 1997. A bunch of kids (about 8) chased down and caught another boy. They were beating the living snot out of him. No parents. A cab driver stopped to help and I got off my bike to help. We were pulling young boys off of the boy who was so bloodied that his whole head was red and his hair was soaked.

Notice I didn't use the word "discipline" in my previous post. We were not disciplining unruly kids. We were stepping in to STOP their behavior. Life is risk. Doing the right thing is risk.
 
Buts it's OK for him to try and shame and embarrassment a 56 year old man...that's great....let's give him a treat for such good behavior...
I think at 12/most kids have a good idea about what is and isn't disrespectful to adults..they have had enough teacher interaction to learn that I'm sure...if they don't it's the parents fault...but most do by that time..

Really? What exactly did the kid do that was meant to shame the OP. You are reading way too much into the limited info we were given.
 
Yep.

I was in Seattle in the international district in 1997. A bunch of kids (about 8) chased down and caught another boy. They were beating the living snot out of him. No parents. A cab driver stopped to help and I got off my bike to help. We were pulling young boys off of the boy who was so bloodied that his whole head was red and his hair was soaked.

Notice I didn't use the word "discipline" in my previous post. We were not disciplining unruly kids. We were stepping in to STOP their behavior. Life is risk. Doing the right thing is risk.
I know you think you've said something that was worth saying here.
 
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That is a small part of it. However, it addresses the more important question.

Your straw man argument is, at a certain level, amusing. :)
Actually, oatmeal really is kind of a miracle food. It fills you up and lessens your appetite for hours. Has lots of fiber so helps keep you regular and actually helps reduce the cholesterol in your system. No downside to oatmeal! At least, that how it works for me.
 
That is a small part of it. However, it addresses the more important question.

Your straw man argument is, at a certain level, amusing. :)

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So I was in my local GC last week just to kill some time so I pick up a Curbow bass(very light by the way) and plug into an amp and start to noodle. Now I'm 56 yrs old and have been told I don't look my age ok that's fine.(this is an important little fact). Here comes some fat kid around 12 years old and tells me I should tune that bass because "He's been told by his father that he has perfect pitch!"...

There's a guy next to me and he starts to laughing hysterically and I have a look on my face that my kids referred to as the "Everybody needs to haul a$$" look. So then the double for the fat kid in "GOONIES" has the nerve to plug his bass into a guitar amp and ask me how to turn it on! Now's my chance but do I take or act like a responsible adult? You may have guessed...I took it!

I proceed to tell "Jethro"that he has plugged into a guitar amp and if his "hearing" was that good he would've heard the reverb kick in when he powered it on. Now dad shows and ask young junior what's wrong. I spoke first I said the problem is he doesn't understand the hierarchy outside of his house because he just spoke to me as if I'm his age. Needless to say I didn't get an excuse me or apology so I understand why "Jethro" is so misguided. Just a lil rant on my part...I forgot to mention "Jethro" was there for his first guitar lesson...LOL

In my opinion & with all do respect..
You're worse then so called "jethro" for putting yourself down to his level!! his excuse is he's 12!
what's yours? & what is a grown man even doing talking /arguing with with a 12 yr old in the first place!! You're lucky dad didn't take it to another level!! And whats with the " jethro "name? !!
Very childish !!
 
Guys, the root of the matter is;

The OP was having a bad day when a child that reminded him of himself at that age ("fat") pulled him up on something he cares about (bass).

The OP grew up in an underprivileged household with an overly critical parental figure that criticized his weight. And he could only dream of taking guitar lessons with their financial situation. All that pent up anger and lack of conflict resolution led to his reaction and ultimately; to this thread.

Let's cut him some slack.


Actually, I don't know anything about the OP but this could be the case for all we know. This is the Internet after all :rolleyes:
 
Can I ask a question, please? I've seen this again and again in these forums. Somebody says something that is arguably offensive in someway. Someone calls him on it. Then someone else calls him on it. Then a dozen more people call him on it. Eventually you have like 10 pages of people saying the same thing over and over in different ways to point out what a jerk the OP is. Is that really necessary? when you see someone else has already called the guy out, can't you just leave it at that or at the most, "like" the comment of the first guy who pointed out the OP's error? There's a point at which it becomes like a lynch mob mentality. Just because someone has said something or done something less than admirable does not make it right to subject them to this big, overblown public humiliation by the mob. Jeez, why don't you just put him in stocks and pelt him with rotten vegetables? ;) Seriously though, please remember the golden rule: treat others as you would like to be treated. And as Forrest would say, "And that's all I have to say about that." :)
 
Can I ask a question, please? I've seen this again and again in these forums. Somebody says something that is arguably offensive in someway. Someone calls him on it. Then someone else calls him on it. Then a dozen more people call him on it. Eventually you have like 10 pages of people saying the same thing over and over in different ways to point out what a jerk the OP is. Is that really necessary? when you see someone else has already called the guy out, can't you just leave it at that or at the most, "like" the comment of the first guy who pointed out the OP's error? There's a point at which it becomes like a lynch mob mentality. Just because someone has said something or done something less than admirable does not make it right to subject them to this big, overblown public humiliation by the mob. Jeez, why don't you just put him in stocks and pelt him with rotten vegetables? ;) Seriously though, please remember the golden rule: treat others as you would like to be treated. And as Forrest would say, "And that's all I have to say about that." :)

Welcome to the Internet.
 
it is what it isQUOTE="Robert B, post: 1 motivational Meer: 318"]Can I ask a question, please? I've seen this again and again in these forums. Somebody says something that is arguably offensive in someway. Someone calls him on it. Then someone else calls him on it. Then a dozen more people call him on it. Eventually you have like 10 pages of people saying the same thing over and over in different ways to point out what a jerk the OP is. Is that really necessary? when you see someone else has already called the guy out, can't you just leave it at that or at the most, "like" the comment of the first guy who pointed out the OP's error? There's a point at which it becomes like a lynch mob mentality. Just because someone has said something or done something less than admirable does not make it right to subject them to this big, overblown public humiliation by the mob. Jeez, why don't you just put him in stocks and pelt him with rotten vegetables? ;) Seriously though, please remember the golden rule: treat others as you would like to be treated. And as Forrest would say, "And that's all I have to say about that." :)[/QUOTE]

It is what it is!! Trust me your little motivational speech there in deffense to the OP is only going to make it worse for the OP and for you !
as all you did is throw gas on the fire!! Gd try thou.
:( i guess.
 
Can I ask a question, please? I've seen this again and again in these forums. Somebody says something that is arguably offensive in someway. Someone calls him on it. Then someone else calls him on it. Then a dozen more people call him on it. Eventually you have like 10 pages of people saying the same thing over and over in different ways to point out what a jerk the OP is. Is that really necessary? when you see someone else has already called the guy out, can't you just leave it at that or at the most, "like" the comment of the first guy who pointed out the OP's error? There's a point at which it becomes like a lynch mob mentality. Just because someone has said something or done something less than admirable does not make it right to subject them to this big, overblown public humiliation by the mob. Jeez, why don't you just put him in stocks and pelt him with rotten vegetables? ;) Seriously though, please remember the golden rule: treat others as you would like to be treated. And as Forrest would say, "And that's all I have to say about that." :)

When I was 12 years old, we didn't have the internet. We'd have to write our messages on rocks, with our own blood, using the quills from now extinct birds that we'd catch with our bare hands. Back then, we were quick, and struck hard! When we ganged up on someone, they sure knew about it, because they had 45 bloody handed kids rushing up with Xtloptyl quills, and Swiss Army Knives. You didn't want to be on the wrong end a that corkscrew, that's fer sure! I remember one time we were outta gas fer our stove, and we'd have to cook dinner over the torches of them angry mobs, and good luck getting away with yer meat with that bunch around! And speaking a stocks and bein' pelted with rotten vegetables, sometimes we'd submit ourselves ta public humiliation just cuz we was hungry, and them vegetables may have been rotten and stinky, but they were soft enough ta eat when ya had bad teeth, I'm tellin' ya!
 

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