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1x10 cabs, do they exist?

#41
This box would be so easy to make though. Get a 10" Eminence with plenty of low end and XMax. If you want it light as well get a neo. Then build a box the same as this one without getting to anal about the dimensions and the legth of that vent - looks like it would go to a couple of inches from the back. But frankly the Bill Fitzmaurice design Jack 10 will be about twice as loud (3db) because the design although a bit bigger is just more efficient.

Building a 1x10 cab would be a great first project if you haven't built before. All the parts you see on the pro cabs are available from suppliers. You just have to screw it all together. If your local DIY store has a cutting machine yopu don't even have to cut much wood - just give them the dimensions and all the ply pieces will be cut very accurately for you. It will take a you a couple of hours max to cut some bracing pieces, glue and screw it together. Use a 1/2 radius router to round off all the edges - get a non muso to do this - those routers are dangerous bits of kit - let your followers gouge their fingers not you. (haha only joking - well kinda). And then onto tolex fun - watch out if you want to use impact adhesive - too much beathing the fumes and you'll be high as a kite and take years of life off your liver. Connect the pair of wires to a socket at one end and the speaker at the other, install everything, and play away. It will take a bit of time to build but you'll spend about half what you'd pay for the same fully finished and you'll still have some parts, glue, tolex and wood left over for he next project. Just watch out for glue fumes and that spinning router bit.
 
#42
DWBass said:
I'm still kicking myself for selling my Yamaha BBT110s cabs!
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As you should! Those little cabs are some definite giant-killers! :bassist: :bassist: :bassist: :cool:

Actually, a cab that reminds me a bit of those Yamahas, and probably surpasses them in most every regard, is the MOjO Sonic Mini 10. Vic Serbe reviews a pair of them in issue #4, and I must say, I was impressed with them (I am doing all the technical reviews/testing of cabs now). These are made by TB's own Kenny Allyn, and are very much worth checking out.

Tom.
 
#43
tombowlus said:
As you should! Those little cabs are some definite giant-killers! :bassist: :bassist: :bassist: :cool:

Actually, a cab that reminds me a bit of those Yamahas, and probably surpasses them in most every regard, is the MOjO Sonic Mini 10. Vic Serbe reviews a pair of them in issue #4, and I must say, I was impressed with them (I am doing all the technical reviews/testing of cabs now). These are made by TB's own Kenny Allyn, and are very much worth checking out.

Tom.
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What hurts the most is I only paid $149 each for them (MF closeout price)! Most similar cabs out there are double or triple the cost! Gah!
 
#44
DWBass said:
What hurts the most is I only paid $149 each for them (MF closeout price)! Most similar cabs out there are double or triple the cost! Gah!
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Just do the numbers - 1x Eminence Kappa Pro 10. $100 8 corners, two handles, speaker grill and a socket $40 Some ply, bracing and screws / glue $20 tolex $15 = $175 for a blilliant powerful cab + some time and effort. Same cost as the Yam but probably about 4x as powerful. Build it with a BF Jack design and you can double its efficiency as well.
 
#50
billfitzmaurice said:
The Kappa Pro Ten is not suitable for bass guitar use. It is not a recommended driver for the Jack 10, nor would I use it in any other electric bass cab.
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Sorry about that guys. I was just making a point about cost and not being too careful about which specific speaker to use. If Bill says that's the wrong one, then it is - Bill F's a real expert in this field.

Would you use a new neo style speaker then Bill and/or are we looking for a bigger Xmax and lower resonance? You've saved me from a big mistake there Bill.
 
#52
Tactician said:
Sorry about that guys. I was just making a point about cost and not being too careful about which specific speaker to use. If Bill says that's the wrong one, then it is - Bill F's a real expert in this field.

Would you use a new neo style speaker then Bill and/or are we looking for a bigger Xmax and lower resonance? You've saved me from a big mistake there Bill.
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The main problem with the KPro Ten is the low Qes of 0.2, which chokes off bass response. Recommending a particular driver can only be done by modeling its results in the cab it's going in to.
 
#53
All this talk of the 10" cabs got me playing with WinISD and inputting the new speaker specs and playing with cabs and settings. It's intersting to go back to basics - I had the time because we had 3" of snow in Britain and that stops everyone going to work for the day - anyway - playing with various speaker set-ups and thinking of portability / cost, you end up with a single 3015LF in something like a 2ft x 2ft x 1ft cab. (OK I know that's not optomised - by you get the drift) Porting it raises the volume between 50-100hz but it could even be a sealed cab. The 3015 keeps weight down and the whole thing is super simple. I know I could play with some horning or a rear horn - but it all gets so big and heavy - just all that wood.

My basic problem is the old Ashdown Mag250 that kicks out 280 watts of OK sound - but the Sika 4x10"s just don't cut it. I suspect that the efficiency is way down and or course they don't perform well in the 40-140hz range. Just replacing the baffle board and putting in a 3015LF, I suspect, would do wonders for it's basic sound.

Anyone done anything like this? My other option is building a Jack 12 or Jack 212 - more efficient - but the 3015 is difficult to beat - and the 3012 didn't come out well in my WinISD playing. The old DeltaLF did - but no longer made.
 
#54
Tactician said:
All this talk of the 10" cabs got me playing with WinISD and inputting the new speaker specs and playing with cabs and settings. It's intersting to go back to basics - I had the time because we had 3" of snow in Britain and that stops everyone going to work for the day - anyway - playing with various speaker set-ups and thinking of portability / cost, you end up with a single 3015LF in something like a 2ft x 2ft x 1ft cab. (OK I know that's not optomised - by you get the drift) Porting it raises the volume between 50-100hz but it could even be a sealed cab. The 3015 keeps weight down and the whole thing is super simple. I know I could play with some horning or a rear horn - but it all gets so big and heavy - just all that wood.

My basic problem is the old Ashdown Mag250 that kicks out 280 watts of OK sound - but the Sika 4x10"s just don't cut it. I suspect that the efficiency is way down and or course they don't perform well in the 40-140hz range. Just replacing the baffle board and putting in a 3015LF, I suspect, would do wonders for it's basic sound.

Anyone done anything like this? My other option is building a Jack 12 or Jack 212 - more efficient - but the 3015 is difficult to beat - and the 3012 didn't come out well in my WinISD playing. The old DeltaLF did - but no longer made.
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The 3015LF won't work well unless paired with a midrange, IMO neither will the 3015, but that depends on your midrange response and dispersion desires. One long excursion fifteen is usually a less expensive proposition than four tens of equivalent displacement, but the tens will likely have higher sensitivity and can run without a midrange. The 3012HO and LF also work very well, and also have their limitations. There's always going to be a number of routes to get to a desired result, most of the problem lies in knowing how to translate what you think you need and want into data, and vis-versa.
 
#56
I keep modelling different speakers to see what would do what and in the end of course you see that 15" speakers do stuff below 100hz that a 10" can't. And speaker cab size has a huge effect - more than porting often - porting can create some wierd graphs, explaining why some DJ's system sound so off. (Sorry DJs, but the bass players know what I mean.)

Then we get down to which chassis. The 3015 seems to be the most popular - but you need something to handle +1500hz. So a Kappa would do that better but with half the Xmax would fart out sooner - but since you can buy two Kappas for the price of one 3015, perhaps a pair of 15s would be the answer. And there goes the small cab, easy portability story. Fact is portability / small cabs, doesn't sit well with loads of ballsy bass frequencies. Small seems to mean I have to give up on 40-100hz. Unless BF can light the candle on this one? How does a Jack 12 attack these problems?
 
#58
Those Phil Jones cabs and amps seem to be the ones breaking new ground. But I do notice the 85db sens. is kind of what I was talking about. If you lessen the efficiency you can get more bass from a smalled cab - you just have to pump more poiwer into it. I suppose as powerful amps are getting cheaper all the time Phil Jones should be very successful with this approach. The only thing that will hold it back is our culture of big is better - which has been around since I started in the 60's alongside a bess player who later became well know - he was the first to use two 4 x 12" cabs with a Marshall 45watt valve amp. Then we all did it - and you still see it onstage to this day. Audiences expect to see multi-stacks. I wonder nowadays whether many of those speakers are actually 'live' considering our views now on Health and Safety and ear damage.
 
#59
DWBass said:
What hurts the most is I only paid $149 each for them (MF closeout price)! Most similar cabs out there are double or triple the cost! Gah!
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IMO a couple of those @ 150 a piece is an absolutely fantastic deal.

They NAIL the perfect balance of small enough, light enough, loud enough, and low enough for a really useful range of music, and especialy for rock.

I AB'd one for a week (borrowed from a TBer) against the 1x10 eminence DL2510 cab I was using. the cab I built was, compared to other cabs its size, realy quite nice. The little yammy held its own, despite being substantially smaller.

You SOLD them ?! :eyebrow::rollno:;):D
 
#60
Crockettnj said:
You SOLD them ?! :eyebrow::rollno:;):D
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Yeah, at the time, I didn't have a use for a 4ohm 1x10! :bawl: Then, in the spring of 2009, I came into a GB Shuttle 3.0 which I wanted to use as a small micro rehearsal setup. I've since bought a Shuttle 6.0 and a LMIII so the Shuttle 3.0 is kinda redundant right now. I'm hesitant to sell it because something just may come up where I'll need it! Yeah right! :smug: I'm looking to buy another micro bass amp. GAS never ends. I do like those little Bag End 1x10's with the coax speaker in them though. If I find one for cheap, I'm so on it!
 

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