1x15 too bassy?

[Stranger Danger]

I think they do.

Post in thread 'Fender Rumble Club'

Jan 10, 2018

With no pre-sets and all tone controls at 12 o'clock (center) this is what you get . . A somewhat 'scooped' response.

The scale is stretched out to +5 & -10dB.

• GlennA

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Post in thread 'Fender Rumble Club'

Jan 10, 2018

About the best I could do to get a 'flat' response was to set the tone controls to this:

• GlennA

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The 2-10-2 flat on a Fender EQ refers to 2 out of ten not 2 o clock. Old fender amps had numbers on the knobs.

 

[FretRiff]

The 2-10-2 flat on a Fender EQ refers to 2 out of ten not 2 o clock. Old fender amps had numbers on the knobs.

You replied to someone who referred to clock positions.

 

[Stranger Danger]

You replied to someone who referred to clock positions.

Missed that part. But still not like the old Fender EQ.

I would like to bet that the OP is probably rolling off too much treble or boosting bass. That 200 is the best of that series

 

[Wasnex]

The 2-10-2 flat on a Fender EQ refers to 2 out of ten not 2 o clock. Old fender amps had numbers on the knobs.

Here is a Fender TMB tonestack model people can play around with.

TSC in the web

IME Flat with a real Fender usually seems to be closer to Treble off, Bass open a hair, Mid about 8.

The tone stack in many bass amps is based on the same design. The component values are often different, which changes the voicing and how the tone controls respond to adjustment. The amps also frequently have extra components that allow the user to select different sets of response curves.

FYI, Even Fender varied the component values somewhat. I.E. flat can vary from one Fender to the next.

My understanding is Rumbles have sort of a fixed voicing filter that is based on a Fender tone stack. However the actual tone controls use a different type of circuit. This may vary somewhat across the range of Rumbles. Or I may be totally wrong . Maybe someone who actually knows will comment .

 

[LiptonJigglers]

The problem isn't the size of the speaker. Its the preamp section of the Fender Rumble. No amount of tweeking will give you what simply isn't there.
Ive never used a Fender Rumble that didnt sound awful.

 

[MegaSwing]

First and foremostly, find the cab’s sweet spot. It’s going to be in the mids. I find that a lot of poor sound is rooted in overemphasizing the lowest frequencies, because, well, bass. The real business is somewhere in the mids. The lowest frequencies belong to the bass drum. It’ll always win that competition.

I invariably cut the lows at least some, and I usually boost the low mids at least some (unless I’m playing at a very low volume). When the tone jumps through the mix, big, bouncy, and chromatic (and not way loud), that’s how I like it.

Doubling down on the lowest lows can trap you in those subsonic frequencies that come through so deep that it’s hard to tell the notes apart. Not enough texture.

That’s all I got.

 

[klattman]

If you can’t hear definition and others are saying too loud.

1. Get the cab up off the floor. Especially if it is a riser or stage. Touching the floor will cause the floor to amplify the mud.
2. Check the position in the room. Bass wavelengths are measured in feet, so if you are near a corner or wall you could be dealing with interference. Try a different location and point it at your head. Also try to get a bit of distance from your cab and move around a bit to see if you are in a spot with interference. You might find a location for either the cab or you to help yourself hear.
3. It’s probably the boomy voicing of the preamp or cabinet. Could also be the room. As mentioned above, trim bass and treble and boost the mids.
4. If the room is still boomy a high pass filter set between 30 and as high as 80 might make a big difference.
5. Many amateur musicians aren’t used to hearing anyone else play and feel like they need to only hear themselves. It could be that your volume is just fine to them, but they still don’t like it. Again, point your amp at your head.

If all of the above don’t work, I’m not convinced a 10” speaker set will help, though maybe a separate preamp pedal sent in through the effects loop return (if available) could help. Worth trying instead of getting an alternate amp to try.

 

[FretRiff]

Get the cab up off the floor. Especially if it is a riser or stage. Touching the floor will cause the floor to amplify the mud.

I've had this Gator stand for 15 years with my Roland keyboard amp. Given the location of my Ampeg 50w bass combo's AC plug the adjustments are more curtailed because in some positions it covers the top bar, so maybe the low-pofile stand would be better, I'm not sure. Regardless, when aimed more toward my ears the clarity of the amp does seem better.

 

[Fender_Bender]

I’ve always found every 15” I’ve ever tried to be muddy and inarticulate.

 

[bigdaddybass12]

Try elevating the cab, that tends to make it less bassy.

This. I have a restaurant gig. If I put my fender rumble on the floor, it’s really boomy or bassy. (If such a word). I put it on a chair and it’s perfect.

 

[Wasnex]

I’ve always found every 15” I’ve ever tried to be muddy and inarticulate.

A couple I have tried that I thought were clear and articulate are GK RBH115 and Mesa PH115.

I own a Greenboy Dually loaded with Faital 15PR400. This cab is intentionally designed to be "vintagey." Seems fairly dark and bloomy to me (meh). I thought it sounded good as a woofer in a biamp rig I experimented with. I pull the Dually out every now and then just for something different .

 

[Nuisance]

As others have said:

• Raise cab off floor
• Bass down
• Mids up
• Use IEM's if all else fails and let the sound guy worry about FOH

 

[Ggaa]

This. I have a restaurant gig. If I put my fender rumble on the floor, it’s really boomy or bassy. (If such a word). I put it on a chair and it’s perfect.

Same. Even a milk crate helps.

 

[Passinwind]

Here is a Fender TMB tonestack model people can play around with.

https://www.guitarscience.net/tsc/f... someone who actually knows will comment ;).

The various (mostly older) Rumbles with four band active EQ that I’ve seen schematics for have nothing in common with the old passive tone stack topology. Some are Baxandall (boost/cut shelving) based for Bass and Treble, some are bandpass format for all four bands. I haven’t analyzed any of the contour or other addtional voicing filters, but it wouldn’t be surprising if they mimicked the classic Fender midscoop thing.

 

[Wasnex]

The various (mostly older) Rumbles with four band active EQ that I’ve seen schematics for have nothing in common with the old passive tone stack topology. Some are Baxandall (boost/cut shelving) based for Bass and Treble, some are bandpass format for all four bands. I haven’t analyzed any of the contour or other addtional voicing filters, but it wouldn’t be surprising if they mimicked the classic Fender midscoop thing.

Here's an example:

On the left: Fender TMB tone stack from AB763 schematic

On the right is from the Rumble 100V3 schematic: https://www.fmicassets.com/Damroot/Original/10002/Rumble 100 V3 Schematics-Diagrams.pdf

The circuit on the right certainly bears a strong resemblance to the circuit on the left.

The actual tone stack from the Rumble 100 V3

Does not look Fenderish to me.

 

[Passinwind]

Here's an example:

On the left: Fender TMB tone stack from AB763 schematic

On the right is from the Rumble 100V3 schematic: https://www.fmicassets.com/Damroot/Original/10002/Rumble 100 V3 Schematics-Diagrams.pdf

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The circuit on the right certainly bears a strong resemblance to the circuit on the left.

The actual tone stack from the Rumble 100 V3
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Does not look Fenderish to me.

Fender has actually been doing it in a pretty similar way for at least over two decades though…

 

[Nebadon2000]

I don’t think the rumbles work that way

See post #20[pun intended]

 

[BaltBass5]

That's why I use 12's....Best of both worlds....punchy and articulate.

 

[carlosjrf]

Missed that part. But still not like the old Fender EQ.

I would like to bet that the OP is probably rolling off too much treble or boosting bass. That 200 is the best of that series

Well i wrote this in my post “I tried cutting the bass the last couple of weeks and boosting the mids” so no im not boosting the bass.

 

[Stranger Danger]

Well i wrote this in my post “I tried cutting the bass the last couple of weeks and boosting the mids” so no im not boosting the bass.

Tone knob?