Agreed on the deeper/lower for the 112AV. In fact I had edited my post to include that extra comment.
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2013 Ampeg V-4B 100W Reissue Pt2
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IMHO, IME, when pushed, the SVT112AV holds out better, but they are close.
Regarding sound, the 112AV sounds a bit more grindy to me, in a beautiful way.
But both sound like an Ampeg, both sound fantastic.
Comparing both cabs, there's no "better" cab.
YMMV, IMHO, IME.
To my ears, about the same. Close enough, anyway, that if you used 1 of each, one would not bury the other in volume.
I have a pair of 210AVs and I really like them as well as my restored flatback SVT810. I've owned and auditioned many other cabinets as well. The pair of Berg NV115s are my favorite. I was patient and got both at a greatused price on TB.
Michael Schreiber
Commercial User
Great!
Tonally / sound-wise, are the 210AVs close to the Flatback?
Never had the chance to A/B them - Flatbacks appear to be super rare, here in Germany.
My flatback has CTS speakers FYI. They are close but you get more low end from the big box. Which I tend to dial back. The 210AVs have less upper end content as well. Very noticeable at home, less so on a loud stage.
I had a SVT112 Classic and one of the best things I ever did was get rid of it. Possibly the worst sounding cab I ever had. I have a 212AV and am VERY happy with it. Possibly the 112AV sounds much different than the Classic 112 (I haven't spent the time digging up the numbers), but the 212AVs are killers. But to your thought about getting a 212AV--you yust can't go wrong with them if you like the Ampeg sound.
I love the way these 112AV's sound. I think I just need more surface area.
I agree with what Peter said, except for the part about dialing back the lows on the Flatback. I boost lows in the 210av instead
Michael Schreiber
Commercial User
Love the 50T but I don't want less headroom in my back up to the V4b. How does the PF800 compare or the svt7 or 3?
How about some other folks who may have some good non ampeg micro solutions. Subway800 come close?
The 7 Pro is the best of the lightweight Ampegs as far as I'm concerned but the PF800 is not far off and it fits in a laptop bag. The 3 Pro is a whole different ballgame because it's a more traditional hybrid but it's good, too.
I had a SVT and 3 pro 20+ years ago Thanks for the advice maybe the 7 pro is the right backup.
Peter, Sam Ash has a Labor Day sale going on. If you call the number on their webpage, you can get a pretty good discount. Don't know if they will answer the phone today or not.
I put it like this...the 4 Pro reminds me more of a V4B or SVT running at its cleanest, and the 7 Pro reminds me more of a V4B or SVT pushed just to the brink of losing cleanliness...it's not dirty, just has a little bit of sag to it. That's sort of how I hear traditional SS with the heavy power transformers vs micros with the SMPS in general. Tighter vs slightly sagging.
I hear that 'sag' in my D class amps too. 's Why I like em more than trad s.s. amps. (I think).
I just used my SVT112AV cab last nite with my Peavey MiniMega amp. I've been doing alot of lower volume restaurant gigs lately so my 212AV sits home mostly. And I'm just too lazy to drag out my ri-V4B to these gigs when either my GK MB800 or Mini Mega are so easy to carry.
I planned to use my older, GB NeoX 112T for this gig but this room gets so boomy I knew the Ampeg 112AV would work better there. I did do a large outdoor gig last week but I used the Mini-Mega and my Barefaced Big Twin T for that. Again, that cab is just an easier schlep than the larger, sqaurer, 212AV. Sadly, I may try to sell that V4B+212AV locally soon. It just sits unused due to my lazy ness to haul it. But with cooler weather coming, I may try to drag it out next time.
We do a birthday party blues gig once a year at the same Houston blues club for past 5-6 years. I've taken out the V4B/212AV to that gig past 4 years so I can knock the dust out of it. I only use 5 stringers and the 112AV handles it well at my restaurant/small club gigs. Darn it, I'll take the V4B to next gig with 112AV as it sounds so good. peace, e.
I planned to use my older, GB NeoX 112T for this gig but this room gets so boomy I knew the Ampeg 112AV would work better there. I did do a large outdoor gig last week but I used the Mini-Mega and my Barefaced Big Twin T for that. Again, that cab is just an easier schlep than the larger, sqaurer, 212AV. Sadly, I may try to sell that V4B+212AV locally soon. It just sits unused due to my lazy ness to haul it. But with cooler weather coming, I may try to drag it out next time.
We do a birthday party blues gig once a year at the same Houston blues club for past 5-6 years. I've taken out the V4B/212AV to that gig past 4 years so I can knock the dust out of it. I only use 5 stringers and the 112AV handles it well at my restaurant/small club gigs. Darn it, I'll take the V4B to next gig with 112AV as it sounds so good. peace, e.
