2019 NFL Season Talk

[seilerbird]

I'd be afraid for her. Those 300lb human missiles try to block field goals. If she got hit there would be all kinds of second guessing...aka hell to pay

There are a ton of rules protecting the kicker in the NFL. And women's soccer is not exactly patty cake. She can take it.

 

[seilerbird]

Can it be done? Possibly. But she would have to give up her soccer career and take a year to work with a kicking coach. I don't know if she would be willing to do it to take the chance. Frankly, I hope she goes for it.

She makes $50k a year playing in the women's soccer league. NFL kickers make about a million a years. What does she have to loose? She can always go back to soccer.

 

[Gaolee]

Women are a PC gimmick in the NFL. They would get get seriously hurt or killed. I don't have a problem with women coaches but as players, not a good idea

I doubt anybody would kill Carli Lloyd. They might try, but I seriously doubt they would succeed. If anybody can pull it off, she can. Besides, if she's winning games for a team, do you think for one second the rest of the team will let her get hit without consequences? There might be one or two who would resent her, but the rest would react the same as they do when somebody takes a cheap shot at the QB.

 

[Gaolee]

I don't have any sympathy for the current and recently former NFL players crying about being in pain. At this point, the risks are well documented and known by everyone.
There are men and women all over the world working through debilitating pain every day that make in a year what some of these guys make/made in a game.

-Mike

Some of us morons played rugby for fun. And paid our own way. There were weeks when it took all week to recover enough to play again on Saturday. After a while, the thought that this might not be a good idea sank in and I stopped playing at age 28. No team doctor kept any of us doped up to deal with it, which is probably why all of my body parts work just fine now, and ex football players have far worse lingering injuries. It's the "pain management" and equipment that causes the debilitating long term issues, in my opinion. Pain is nature's way of telling you not to do whatever it was that hurts.

 

[buldog5151bass]

She makes $50k a year playing in the women's soccer league. NFL kickers make about a million a years. What does she have to loose? She can always go back to soccer.

It's not a matter of money. Between sports and other opportunities, she is more than well off.

She's 37 right now - at the close of her career. If she takes off the two years to go for it, she likely will be too old to play soccer again. How does she want to close out her sports career?

 

[buldog5151bass]

There are a ton of rules protecting the kicker in the NFL. And women's soccer is not exactly patty cake. She can take it.

Nothing personal, but women's soccer does not have 300 pound people with the unfettered right to hit you at full speed. If she kicks off, she does not have any special protection. I'm sure there will be idiots who will want to take a shot at her. She may be cool with that - she may not. Again, I hope she goes for it.

 

[MJ5150]

Then we have Jerry Jones who comes along and basically supports Ezekiel Elliott holding out by saying it would be a good thing to have him fresh come playoff time.

-Mike

 

[Funky Ghost]

I think it would be amazing, but let's not get our hopes up yet.

1. She kicked it with a four step approach. She would have to change to a two step approach. Not only would she have to deal with half the momentum, but she would have to break decades of muscle memory. Neither would be easy.

2. Teams generally only have one kicker, and for kickoffs she would have to be able to kick it 75 yards with height. That means she probably would have to add 5-10 yards to her distance (generally a 4 step approach on kickoffs).

Can it be done? Possibly. But she would have to give up her soccer career and take a year to work with a kicking coach. I don't know if she would be willing to do it to take the chance. Frankly, I hope she goes for it.

Super valid points.

 

[Funky Ghost]

Then we have Jerry Jones who comes along and basically supports Ezekiel Elliott holding out by saying it would be a good thing to have him fresh come playoff time.

-Mike

Elliot wont miss any games. Jones is 75 and his team is built to win now. The one thing I think could get interesting is Dak. He refused to sign the new offered deal. Indy has a need for a QB and has a win now team built. Dak is a free agent next year. His leverage just improved exponentially.

 

[Gaolee]

It's not a matter of money. Between sports and other opportunities, she is more than well off.

She's 37 right now - at the close of her career. If she takes off the two years to go for it, she likely will be too old to play soccer again. How does she want to close out her sports career?

The fact that she's 37 now may have something to do with it. There's a whole lot less running involved in being a football kicker than there is in playing soccer. She may have the idea that being relatively stationary and kicking something like ten times in an afternoon sounds pretty good.

 

[Funky Ghost]

Some of us morons played rugby for fun. And paid our own way. There were weeks when it took all week to recover enough to play again on Saturday. After a while, the thought that this might not be a good idea sank in and I stopped playing at age 28. No team doctor kept any of us doped up to deal with it, which is probably why all of my body parts work just fine now, and ex football players have far worse lingering injuries. It's the "pain management" and equipment that causes the debilitating long term issues, in my opinion. Pain is nature's way of telling you not to do whatever it was that hurts.

To be fair, they probably joined to have access to better food abroad than Vegemite and haggis

 

[seilerbird]

Nothing personal, but women's soccer does not have 300 pound people with the unfettered right to hit you at full speed. If she kicks off, she does not have any special protection. I'm sure there will be idiots who will want to take a shot at her. She may be cool with that - she may not. Again, I hope she goes for it.

She is not trying out to be the kickoff kicker, she is trying out of being a field goal kicker. You cannot touch the field goal kicker. No 300 pounder will ever be running into her.

 

[Gaolee]

To be fair, they probably joined to have access to better food abroad than Vegemite and haggis

Rugby players eat their dead, y'know.

 

[buldog5151bass]

She is not trying out to be the kickoff kicker, she is trying out of being a field goal kicker. You cannot touch the field goal kicker. No 300 pounder will ever be running into her.

As I said previously, teams generally do not have two kickers, unless the punter can kick off - there is a roster size limitation.

Look, I'm not talking her down. As I said, I would love to see it. I'm just saying that because she made one kick, that does not mean she can do it.

 

[Funky Ghost]

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Rugby players eat their dead, y'know.

That's gotta taste better than Vegemite right?

 

[seilerbird]

In the 70s I was in construction as an electrician and women were trying to enter the workplace. I could not believe the crap I heard on the job about the fact that women were so weak and feeble that they could never do the job. Their machoism was being attacked. Now there are women everywhere in construction since they can do the job. In a few years women in the NFL will stop making men trying to defend their machoism claiming women can't do the job. They can and they will do the job. Teams can carry two kickers.

 

[Gaolee]

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That's gotta taste better than Vegemite right?

Everything tastes better than Vegemite.

 

[buldog5151bass]

In the 70s I was in construction as an electrician and women were trying to enter the workplace. I could not believe the crap I heard on the job about the fact that women were so weak and feeble that they could never do the job. Their machoism was being attacked. Now there are women everywhere in construction since they can do the job. In a few years women in the NFL will stop making men trying to defend their machoism claiming women can't do the job. They can and they will do the job. Teams can carry two kickers.

Get off your soap box. No one is saying women can't play football if they have the skills. If she can do it, ANY team would love to have her on the roster - tons of positive publicity, and lots of additional fans. They might even look for a punter who can kick off (although it is two different skills that work against each other physically), if she can do it. Teams can carry two kickers - Q#$%#, why not six? Teams have to make final roster determinations all the time, and have to make compromises. The only time it happens for a kicker is if they are exceptional (say can blast a 70 yard field goal), and they have other players versatile enough to cover multiple positions.

 

[Clark Dark]

She makes $50k a year playing in the women's soccer league. NFL kickers make about a million a years. What does she have to loose? She can always go back to soccer.

Nothing personal, but women's soccer does not have 300 pound people with the unfettered right to hit you at full speed. If she kicks off, she does not have any special protection. I'm sure there will be idiots who will want to take a shot at her. She may be cool with that - she may not. Again, I hope she goes for it.

she she she
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...will require a separate locker room and shower

 

[Clark Dark]

I doubt anybody would kill Carli Lloyd. They might try, but I seriously doubt they would succeed. If anybody can pull it off, she can. Besides, if she's winning games for a team, do you think for one second the rest of the team will let her get hit without consequences? There might be one or two who would resent her, but the rest would react the same as they do when somebody takes a cheap shot at the QB.

I believe years ago the Chargers had a kickoff kicker who was allowed to kick the ball then run immediately off the field because he had some very serious injuries and physical problems. Rolf Benirschke
If Carli can drop 55 yarders regularly then you know they'll ask her to do kick offs. IMO it's too much of a risk.