A Cab that does it all?

[KJung]

That's what I thought about the power. I'm "just" going to use my DB750, and I don't want to add another power amp. Same for the larger schroeders, The big boxes can take like 1000-1400 watts, and I don't feel I would be doing them justice with 750 @ 4ohms.

I would think an AG750 would drive the heck out of that box... just not a smaller head like the TF, Ag500, Eden550, etc.

 

[tombowlus]

And... The Berg322.... I played through that cab the first time last night. First, it's HUGE and HEAVY... feels like over 100 pounds. No way for me! However, it sounded good... seemed relatively inefficient (my Thunderfunk didn't seem to open it up at all) but I assume the DB750 has enough wump to do it. It's a great sounding cab with plenty of bottom.

You're not talking about at my house, are you Ken? I did not have an HT322 there. I did have the IP322 (prototype) and an HT212. The HT212 was a big hit and sounded killer with everything we played through it (including a DB 750), but I don't think we fired it up much at all on Friday night. We did play the IP322 a bit (and that was the one you tried to pick up), but as I mentioned, its DSP gain setting was lower than that of the IP212 and IP310 (which may be where you are recalling the relative efficiency thing).

But, back to the "cab that does it all" with a DB 750, my first choice is the NV215. I wish I could have had everyone hear this at the GTG, but I didn't try it until last night. Man, what great synergy between those two! Even though it doesn't have a tweeter, the NV215's 6" mid provides great clarity up to 7 kHz. It sounds like it goes higher than that, especially with the "Bid Daddy Aggy."

But, if you really want sizzle, then I do think that the HT322 (or an HT212) would be a great match for the DB 750, too.

Tom.

 

[tombowlus]

I don't mind two simi-heavy cabs compared to One Super heavy one. I've heard great things about the Berg322, but still ponedering if a two cab setup would be better overall.

The older Berg HT115/HT210 setup might be for you, then.

Tom.

 

[kjones]

Definitely, the Bergie 322 is something I would audition given your requirements.

I have a 750 as well, and run it though an Accugroove Whappo, Jr. I was playing yesterday, and at least 3 or 4 musicians came up and said how huge and dominating my sound was, but that it still had articulation as well. Of course, you should read the "switch" threads to form your opinion on that issue and whether you're comfortable giving Accugroove your business. On the music end, I essentially am looking for the same sound you describe, and have found it with a 750 and a Junior.

 

[thehurlatron]

Definitely, the Bergie 322 is something I would audition given your requirements.

I have a 750 as well, and run it though an Accugroove Whappo, Jr. I was playing yesterday, and at least 3 or 4 musicians came up and said how huge and dominating my sound was, but that it still had articulation as well. Of course, you should read the "switch" threads to form your opinion on that issue and whether you're comfortable giving Accugroove your business. On the music end, I essentially am looking for the same sound you describe, and have found it with a 750 and a Junior.

Do you feel that the JR. is as snappy in the mids as a cab with 10's?

 

[kjones]

In all honesty, probably not. However, it's definitely a step up from most 15s. I'm looking for a combination of snappiness, with a full round tone on the bottom end that I just haven't found in 10s yet, although I haven't auditioned the new Sadowskys. What I like about the Jr. is that it's tighter than the majority of 15s, but still has authority. It's a great split of the difference IMO, not to mention one of the speakers is neo, so the cab is able to be handled by one person if relatively few steps are involved.

I've said this before and got killed for it, but the tone I get with the 750 and Jr. is what I hear when I'm in the recording studio. That's what I hear, and perhaps others disagree. I would hope that they disagree after listening first, though.

 

[KJung]

You're not talking about at my house, are you Ken? I did not have an HT322 there. I did have the IP322 (prototype) and an HT212. The HT212 was a big hit and sounded killer with everything we played through it (including a DB 750), but I don't think we fired it up much at all on Friday night. We did play the IP322 a bit (and that was the one you tried to pick up), but as I mentioned, its DSP gain setting was lower than that of the IP212 and IP310 (which may be where you are recalling the relative efficiency thing)..

Well... that was a bonehead on my part. I remember you reaching around the back of it while I was playing, and thought you were plugging in my TF from the Schroeder. Duh.... now I remember.

I assume the 322 is the same size? If so, my size and weight comments stand... however, you are right... the efficiency comment is totally bogus.... it was due to that 'turned down' DSP/Amp. I don't know if they are efficient or not.

Sorry guys.... too much gear over the weekend.... it was a little overwhelming to keep it all straight... almost like 'Man, my Celinder sounds like hell plugged into a Ric4001... oh wait, that's another bass'

 

[tombowlus]

I assume the 322 is the same size? If so, my size and weight comments stand...

Same dimensions, but 7 lbs less, so still not a lightweight cab.

Sorry guys.... too much gear over the weekend.... it was a little overwhelming to keep it all straight... almost like 'Man, my Celinder sounds like hell plugged into a Ric4001... oh wait, that's another bass'

I hear ya, bro!

 

[tombowlus]

In all honesty, probably not. However, it's definitely a step up from most 15s. I'm looking for a combination of snappiness, with a full round tone on the bottom end that I just haven't found in 10s yet, although I haven't auditioned the new Sadowskys. What I like about the Jr. is that it's tighter than the majority of 15s, but still has authority. It's a great split of the difference IMO, not to mention one of the speakers is neo, so the cab is able to be handled by one person if relatively few steps are involved.

I've said this before and got killed for it, but the tone I get with the 750 and Jr. is what I hear when I'm in the recording studio. That's what I hear, and perhaps others disagree. I would hope that they disagree after listening first, though.

I agree that "snappy" is not a word that I would use with the Whappo, Jr. I do like the cab a lot, though. But it sounds like what you are really describing is the NV215. It doesn't really sound like other 2x15's, and it does have some nice snap and speed to it, combined with tight, seismic lows.

Tom.

 

[thehurlatron]

I agree that "snappy" is not a word that I would use with the Whappo, Jr. I do like the cab a lot, though. But it sounds like what you are really describing is the NV215. It doesn't really sound like other 2x15's, and it does have some nice snap and speed to it, combined with tight, seismic lows.

Tom.

I have a "mental block" when it comes to 215 cabs. I had a acoustic 215 cab before, (I still have parts of it )and all I think about when I hear 215 is the horrible sound that came from that cab. Don't get me wrong, it was big sounding, but there was no definition, no mids, and no high end.
I'm sure if I actually heard one of the Berg215's, I'd change my tune.

 

[tombowlus]

I'm sure if I actually heard one of the Berg215's, I'd change my tune.

Yup.

 

[Big String]

My DB750 sounds excellent with my NV215! It also sounds great with my El Whappo. I find myself using the 'bright' switch more and more with the DB750 for some added clarity.
Having used both the NV215 and El Whappo several times each on live gigs I've found that for inside gigs the NV215 does a better all around job since the sealed cab design is tighter and quicker which work better for me. I have not compared the two cabs on an outside gig were I know the EW is better than anything I've used so far. The EW also has a tiny bit more clarity in the mix but the NV has much tighter lows. One other observation to add. My ears definately take a beating with the NV. My bandmates don't complain at all but notice the NV is more pounding than the EW. Have to experiment more.

OK. Here is the new suprise!
I promised I would try this and did so briefly yesterday.
DB750 into the famed BMS! SMOKIN !!!!!!
I didn't have much play time but from the first few notes I played I couldn't believe what I was hearing. Ka-Freakin'-Boom. Tight, punch, vintage, sublime mids, sweet highs, incredibly tight bottom. Not huge booty but very nice. I've got to try this on a gig with FOH support.

If you have a DB750 and just happen to have the Berg Mini Stack... plug in and be prepared to be floored.

 

[IvanMike]

Is there a cab that "does it all"? Hmmmmmmm. It depends on what you mean. Based on your description you want a very full range cabinet. However, what none of us know is what the sound in your head really is. All cabs have their own voicing and "sound". Is there a cabinet that can get ME every sound i could possibly want? No. Are there ones that come close? Sure. However, I, like many of us, am a fickle beast and i like a whole lot of different tones. And of course, different songs/styles call fo different sounds. the worst is when you are trying to duplicate exactly some favorite tone of yours from a record or CD, because, let's face it, those tones on recordings usually arent made by amps and speakers anyway.

What does all this mean? Go try as many cabs as you can. Good luck.

 

[bucephylus]

I kind of agree with this last post. Each cab (and head) has its own personality. Asking what can "do it all" is kind of like asking which plate on the menu at the restaurant tastes like all the others combined. You could get it by mixing all the different dishes together. We used to refer to this dish as "garbage."

The different cabs have different personalities. You need to figure out which one suits your style and needs the best. That's half the fun!

 

[tombowlus]

If you have a DB750 and just happen to have the Berg Mini Stack... plug in and be prepared to be floored.

Dang, I may need to try that.

 

[tommixx]

Is there such thing? I'm using a Aguilar DB750 and 5 string bass most of the time. I play rock/funk.reggae(ish) tunes, but dabble in jazz and blues. Mostly fingerstyle, but bust out a slap line here and there and even some tapping.

I have semi answered this in a couple of threads now but think I should try here as well since I have a bit more info to draw from...

If you play Rock/Reggaeish and dabble in Jazz and Blues the NV610 would be perfect in my opinion........B U T, as soon as you say Funk I think slap and I think that the slap on the NV610 is great for me but maybe not HiFi sounding enough for most.....If you slap frequently you might miss the extended upper range that a cab with a horn can give you. If you don't slap that much and you don't want a lot of clackety sheen you would get a Great companion in the NV610...If you have to have the higher end I would try a NV215 as well. Really good bottom and nice smooth top end clarity a good bit higher than the NV610 with good punch but it is not brittle at all like some cabs can be.

I am not a huge fan of 15's in general but I also agree that the 15's in both the NV215 and the El Whappo are fabulous and would suggest giving the EW a try as well as the Whappo Jr which has the mid punch (though not nearly as much as the NV610) upper mid and high end clarity but does not go quite as low or get overly bloomy on the bottom end and is a nice middle ground between the 3. Hope that helps.....

Peace,

T

 

[Big String]

Dang, I may need to try that.

TB.... when did you get a DB750 ??

 

[tombowlus]

TB.... when did you get a DB750 ??

Guilty.

And in fact, I am going to have to retract or modify my prior comments concerning the DB 750. With the NV215, it most definitely sounds like the Hammer of Thor! But, I have found that it is somewhat cab dependant (didn't like the Epi 410UL much at all) and also that Big Daddy don't do "quiet."

But dangnabit, you crank that baby through an NV215, and that's about as good as it gets!

Tom.

 

[Big String]

Most Excellent! Glad you're enjoying it.
However I do find the 750 to do a fine job a lower volumes, but I hardly ever do .... ah hmmm.

I did a little more ABCing last night. Broke out the NV215, BMS, and EW. Lined them all up using the TFB550 and DB750.

I'm starting to really get a hold on the DB750 even though it's EQ challenged to a point. My formula is pretty much the same with all three cabs setups pretty much keeping the Bright Switch engaged and Treble at 1:00, Mid 1:00, Bass 11-12:00 depending. All other EQ is done on my Sadowskys. The EW has a little less Treble and does well without the Bright switch on or off. The Bergs, especially the NV sounds the best with the Bright Switch engaged, as well as the BMS. I add a little more Bass from my instrument on the BMS.

With the TF, the EW and the BMS sound the best. The NV also sounds great but seems a bit strained. The BMS is the most versitale out of the bunch though, sounding superb with either amp. I ended up my trial with the 750 atop the NV215 and the TF on the BMS and pretty well matched them. I was amazed and went off to eat my dinner with a big smile.

 

[tombowlus]

I ended up my trial with the 750 atop the NV215 and the TF on the BMS and pretty well matched them. I was amazed and went off to eat my dinner with a big smile.

Two great matchups, in my book.