A little different spin on finding a "Plug & Play" live rig

[Kuchar]

You're pretty screwed if you want to play both of those cabs together with the LMII.

 

[Porksicle]

You're pretty screwed if you want to play both of those cabs together with the LMII.

Yeah, figured that.

(I could always A/B and get two of them though)

 

[Brad Johnson]

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Since the bass sound wave size at 30hz is about 11.47 meters (>37 feet), 40hz is about 8.60 meters (>28 feet), 50hz is about 6.88 meters (>22feet), 75hz is about 4.59 meters (>15 feet), 100hz is about 3.44 meters (>11 feet) hearing how one sounds precisely in the mix on stage is not physically possible unless you're on a huge stage and 30 - 40 feet away from your rig. (see attached pic of formula from
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And even if you're on a huge stage, if the guitar amp is on the other side of the drummer, it's so directional (as compared to the bass) there's now way you can gauge it's volume relative to yours or to the mix.

That's why the P.A. mixer is near the back/middle of a venue.

And a typical bass rig isn't going to do much in those lower frequencies you've posted anyway.

Here is what he and now you are responding to: "I determine how well an amp works by what I hear onstage. Even with no PA support I can still typically tell how it sits in the mix".

My amp is primarily my stage monitor. That's why I said what I said. In the event there's no PA I still gauge things by what I hear on stage. I've yet to play a room with no PA that sounded great onstage and crappy out in the room. IME.

Formulas aside, I'm just relating what I've experienced in 30+ years of gigging. Of course anyone is free to disagree with my experiences.

 

[Brad Johnson]

However, now that I like the LMII, I may have already snafu'd myself in this deal: I ordered a 410 and 212 Neo cab from Avatar, but I ordered them at 4ohms each, on the notion that I would be pairing them with my current amp head and run a 2ohm load. Now I see the LMII (and the GK stuff, as well) runs a min. of 4ohms

So here's a question - anyone else have this issue, and how did you overcome it w/o creating a fire hazard if you want to run both cabs?

Other than running two LMII's, I don't know. You may want to see if you actually need to run two cabs when you receive the Avatars. I tried two 8 ohm EA VL210 cabs with my LMII, not the most efficient cabs out there, and they got ridiculously loud.

 

[JimmyM]

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Since the bass sound wave size at 30hz is about 11.47 meters (>37 feet), 40hz is about 8.60 meters (>28 feet), 50hz is about 6.88 meters (>22feet), 75hz is about 4.59 meters (>15 feet), 100hz is about 3.44 meters (>11 feet) hearing how one sounds precisely in the mix on stage is not physically possible unless you're on a huge stage and 30 - 40 feet away from your rig. (see attached pic of formula from
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And even if you're on a huge stage, if the guitar amp is on the other side of the drummer, it's so directional (as compared to the bass) there's now way you can gauge it's volume relative to yours or to the mix.

That's why the P.A. mixer is near the back/middle of a venue.

Well look, nobody's debating that you have a better vantage point away from the speakers. But if you don't think a professional bassist who knows his stuff about both bass and audio reproduction can't tell what his amp sounds like in a mix from onstage just because he doesn't always have the greatest vantage point, I would say you're wrong about that. I've seen a lot of bands who set up their own PA and run it from the stage and it sounds great because the musicians know what to do to get it sounding great.

 

[Brad Johnson]

Well look, nobody's debating that you have a better vantage point away from the speakers. But if you don't think a professional bassist who knows his stuff about both bass and audio reproduction can't tell what his amp sounds like in a mix from onstage just because he doesn't always have the greatest vantage point, I would say you're wrong about that. I've seen a lot of bands who set up their own PA and run it from the stage and it sounds great because the musicians know what to do to get it sounding great.

Because they've learned what to listen for.