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All New Redesigned 2018 Music Man Stingray!

I don't get this one. The neck on my '03 is absolutely stable. I've adjusted it maybe twice in 12 years and even then it was only after changing string types/gauges.

I never understood the "quiet G string syndrome" or the claims of brittleness either. Idk what mine weighs but it isn't excessive at all. My old Precision knockoff was much heavier.


Ditto!

Adjusted the truss rod a few times, for taste - not out of necessity - in the first few years.

Other than that, haven't needed, or even wanted, to adjust the truss rod in 25 years.

That said, I'm in the UK : we don't get really hot summers, or really cold winters.


And no weak G either (though I did encounter a certain gauge / brand of strings where the G had the volume, but not the "weight").

Stingrays always felt light to me, compared with everything else I was playing.
 
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Welcome to what lefties go through on most basses & yes, my SR4H is black (with a matching headstock though).
Ohhh God, don't get me started LOL! Ever noticed that 99% of lefty basses are black? And all the basses you love don't come in lefty? LOL! I'm not going to whine anymore. I'm just glad there are EVEN lefty basses available! :laugh:
 
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Stainless frets are a great thing, too. I think Steinberger and/or Status had that going in the 80s. Carvin may have, too.
As a guy who can't play nickel strings, I think using stainless frets is the best thing ever. They last way better than nickel frets and stand up to ss strings like champions. So that's a definite plus as well.
 
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That must have more to do with the additional pickup being wired in, than anything else : the Stingray pre-amp & pickup have not changed at all since about 3 years after it was introduced - ie not for several years before Ernie Ball bought the company.

Well technically the 3 band preamp was an Ernie Ball Era addition. So there was that change but I was offered as an option. I believe it was only when the classic series was introduced that 3 band preamp became standard on the SR.

Come to think of it the following other slight changes were made to the bass over the years:

-reduced bridge size sans mutes

-staggered bridge for straight string lines

-Introduction of the wheel for truss rod adjustment at the heel (prior to that it was the standard bullet adjustmen begins the nut)

And of course there were some slight modifications to the construction of the pick up and the preamp. I may be missing a few others but these are the big items.
 
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If they’d just put the 3 single coil Big Al electronics into a standard Ray body (with a wine red trans finish for extra credit) I’d be all over it. Love the sound of the Big Al. Really dislike its looks.

Be interesting to see how well the changes for 2018 are received. Stingray players are full of surprises when it comes to things like that.
 
Well technically the 3 band preamp was an Ernie Ball Era addition. So there was that change but I was offered as an option. I believe it was only when the classic series was introduced that 3 band preamp became standard on the SR.

Come to think of it the following other slight changes were made to the bass over the years:

-reduced bridge size sans mutes

-staggered bridge for straight string lines

-Introduction of the wheel for truss rod adjustment at the heel (prior to that it was the standard bullet adjustmen begins the nut)

And of course there were some slight modifications to the construction of the pick up and the preamp. I may be missing a few others but these are the big items.

Oh no argument - there have been modifications for sure, throughout the Stingray's history (almost as many during the Pre-Ernie Ball period, as have happened since EB took over).

In the last few weeks, we've thrashed out the 3 band vs 2 band topic (worth a search if you missed it).

I don't think any of the changes to the bridge (up to this 2018 model) have had any bearing on the tone of the instrument.

Offsetting it by a couple of millimetres wouldn't change anything.

Initially the mutes were removed, and sold separately as a kit (4 thin blade springs, and 4 grub screws - that added nothing to the mass of the bridge).

Then the bridge was recast, negating the possibility of retrofitting mutes, but that shaved about 10 grams of steel off the two front most corners - not going to make any difference to the tone.

The 2018 bridge could be a significant change - not just in terms of the difference in mass between steel, and aluminium, but because up until now there have been two huge brass threads, bored deep in to the body, and then two large bolts marrying the bridge to those brass threads.

As for the truss rod wheel - that's an interesting one.

There are plenty of people that swear the tone of an instrument belongs to the neck.

The way the neck is constructed is completely different, truss rod wheel era vs skunk stripe era.

Some folk may argue that skunk stripe Stingrays sound different to truss rod wheel Stingrays - I'm not opening that can of worms.

The pickup had the length of the magnets reduced, very early in the Pre-Ernie Ball period - other than that, it hasn't changed at all... Until the 2018 model.

The new 2018 pickup has Neodymium magnets, rather than the traditional Alnico - but EBMM have been quick to point out that the pickup is wound to "Stingray" specifications, which may negate any pronounced difference...

The pre-amp hasn't changed electronically, since it's final revision during the Pre-EB period - although it has had some physical format changes, to accommodate pots with different length stalks, and 3 EQ pots etc.

The new 2018 pre-amp had been revoiced, presumably to further negate the difference between the Neodymium, and Alnico magnets...???

From the EBMM video I saw / heard, the new 2018 Stingray sounds a lot more refined, and polite (though no way of knowing if they were set the same way, in the comparison with the 2017 model).

It remains to be seen if those sonic refinements really have a positive impact in a final mix - or if people want the Stingray to be tamed.

I can't wait to try one out, but my next EBMM's will be the Cutlass, and Caprice - so we'll see if these 2018's are the de facto Stingray for the next 5 years.
 
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Glad I picked up a SLO Starry Night. With SLOs no longer an option, guess I'm out of the new Stingray game. A Caprice may still be an option down the line though.

No SLO? Well... isn't that just the cat's meow? Yeah, no new Stingray for me anytime soon just based on that alone. It's actually the only thing that has kept me from getting a Stingray Classic. Even Fender has the narrow neck option on P-basses (several models, actually). Yeah, I know... there is the Sterling. And yes, it's a fine instrument, but just not quite the same.

I special ordered a natural finish, maple fingerboard, two-band EQ, SLO Stingray a few years back. When I got it, I was shocked at how light that slab of ash wood was (this bass weighed in at right about 8 pounds even). Sounded great. Played great. Loved it. But, hey, being the gear slut that I am, I ended up selling it in order to finance something else I "just had to have" at the time. Now I could slit my wrists for getting rid of it. With no SLO option now, there will never be another one like it with all those factors at that light weight with that heavenly neck. Some guy up in Canada is enjoying it now, I suspect (the buyer was from Canada as I recall). Grrrrrrrrrr.
 
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No SLO? Well... isn't that just the cat's meow? Yeah, no new Stingray for me anytime soon just based on that alone. It's actually the only thing that has kept me from getting a Stingray Classic. Even Fender has the narrow neck option on P-basses (several models, actually). Yeah, I know... there is the Sterling. And yes, it's a fine instrument, but just not quite the same.

I special ordered a natural finish, maple fingerboard, two-band EQ, SLO Stingray a few years back. When I got it, I was shocked at how light that slab of ash wood was (this bass weighed in at right about 8 pounds even). Sounded great. Played great. Loved it. But, hey, being the gear slut that I am, I ended up selling it in order to finance something else I "just had to have" at the time. Now I could slit my wrists for getting rid of it. With no SLO option now, there will never be another one like it with all those factors at that light weight with that heavenly neck. Some guy up in Canada is enjoying it now, I suspect (the buyer was from Canada as I recall). Grrrrrrrrrr.
I only read that SLOs were no longer an option on the EBMM forum from a dealer. If I was super serious about buying one, I'd make sure I hear it directly from EBMM though. Last two PDN SLOs I ordered I have had more than one dealer tell me that SLOs were discontinued only to find out they didn't know what they were talking about.

Yeah man, I can see where you would regret that. Got to hang on to those light weight SLOs (especially if they are NO More). I got rid of my first one because it was over 10lbs. My newest one is a keeper. Just a tick over 9 lbs. and that is with a D tuner installed.

Not sure why they would get rid of SLOs, but not sure why they only offer the black hardware as an option with certain body colors or certain fretboard choice only available with certain body colors. I also read no more matching headstocks on the new colors. :rollno:
 
Oh no argument - there have been modifications for sure, throughout the Stingray's history (almost as many during the Pre-Ernie Ball period, as have happened since EB took over).

In the last few weeks, we've thrashed out the 3 band vs 2 band topic (worth a search if you missed it).

I don't think any of the changes to the bridge (up to this 2018 model) have had any bearing on the tone of the instrument.

Offsetting it by a couple of millimetres wouldn't change anything.

Initially the mutes were removed, and sold separately as a kit (4 thin blade springs, and 4 grub screws - that added nothing to the mass of the bridge).

Then the bridge was recast, negating the possibility of retrofitting mutes, but that shaved about 10 grams of steel off the two front most corners - not going to make any difference to the tone.

The 2018 bridge could be a significant change - not just in terms of the difference in mass between steel, and aluminium, but because up until now there have been two huge brass threads, bored deep in to the body, and then two large bolts marrying the bridge to those brass threads.

As for the truss rod wheel - that's an interesting one.

There are plenty of people that swear the tone of an instrument belongs to the neck.

The way the neck is constructed is completely different, truss rod wheel era vs skunk stripe era.

Some folk may argue that skunk stripe Stingrays sound different to truss rod wheel Stingrays - I'm not opening that can of worms.

The pickup had the length of the magnets reduced, very early in the Pre-Ernie Ball period - other than that, it hasn't changed at all... Until the 2018 model.

The new 2018 pickup has Neodymium magnets, rather than the traditional Alnico - but EBMM have been quick to point out that the pickup is wound to "Stingray" specifications, which may negate any pronounced difference...

The pre-amp hasn't changed electronically, since it's final revision during the Pre-EB period - although it has had some physical format changes, to accommodate pots with different length stalks, and 3 EQ pots etc.

The new 2018 pre-amp had been revoiced, presumably to further negate the difference between the Neodymium, and Alnico magnets...???

From the EBMM video I saw / heard, the new 2018 Stingray sounds a lot more refined, and polite (though no way of knowing if they were set the same way, in the comparison with the 2017 model).

It remains to be seen if those sonic refinements really have a positive impact in a final mix - or if people want the Stingray to be tamed.

I can't wait to try one out, but my next EBMM's will be the Cutlass, and Caprice - so we'll see if these 2018's are the de facto Stingray for the next 5 years.

Awesome post.

I will also say this for the benefit of those who have brought up the "if it ain't broke" mantra. As evident in your thread here and mine that you quoted, changes have been made over time. We can debate which ones were meaningful. I happen to think most were, especially reducing bridge size (I misee me those big mute bridges), staggering bridges for straight string lines behind witness points, etc.

But more importantly, what we have to recognize here is that there is an element of marketing to all of this.

This is most evident with cars where pretty meaningful changes are made every year. With instruments we are lucky in that time moves more slowly.

But nonetheless, time does march on and as more time goes by and there is more used EBMM stock out there, EBMM is competing with their own instruments. So once in a while they have to change things up so that they are no competing with the myriad used EBMM basses out there for half price.

And frankly, it engages the enthusiasts like me. I am digging these new colors, and since I love me an impolite tone, I am mighty curious to hear the neo pickups with my own earballs.

But again, more than anything, I hope they fixed the quiet G string issue. :bassist:
 
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But again, more than anything, I hope they fixed the quiet G string issue. :bassist:
At about 19 seconds you can see the pole-pieces are now flush with the cover, instead of staggered like the used to be. IIRC, the weak-G was only on the H, while the HS and HH models had the pole-pieces flush with the cover, which didn't seem to have the same issue.
 
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At about 19 seconds you can see the pole-pieces are now flush with the cover, instead of staggered like the used to be. IIRC, the weak-G was only on the H, while the HS and HH models had the pole-pieces flush with the cover, which didn't seem to have the same issue.


Cool. That makes sense in that flat poles would level the volume across strings. The problem went away on one of my MM basses that I have modded with a SD Basslines replacement...
 

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